RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Fluorescent ballast + dimming & machine too ls
Posted by
dlantz@a...
on 2001-09-18 05:23:44 UTC
THERE IS AN EASY SOLUTION. WITH THE RISING COST OF ELECTRICITY HERE HERE IN
MASS, I OPTED FOR 'COMPACT FLORESCENT' BULBS IN THE HOME. THE FIRST ONES
ARRIVED... SOMETHING LIKE 5-8 DOLLARS A PIECE, WITH REPLACABLE BULB SEPERATE
FROM THE ELECTRONIC BALLIST. THESE WERE 'NON-DIMABLE'... HOWEVER THE SECOND
SHIPMENT I BOUGHT WERE ALL LABELED DIMABLE! (YES, IT HAD THE EXCALAMTION
POINT AS WELL)...ACCORDING TO THE PACKAGE, THESE FLORESCENT BULBS WILL DIM
WITH A NORMAL DIMMING LIGHT SWITCH
REGARDS---DAVE L.
-----Original Message-----
From: multi-volti@... [mailto:multi-volti@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:08 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Fluorescent ballast + dimming & machine tools
Hello:
Fluorescent lighting and dimming is not common.
If they are magnetic ballasts (big heavy inductors), the only practical way
to dim is with a series capacitor - and this is beyond the average person's
design skills - because of the ac line voltage, a pretty rugged capacitor is
needed, and each ballast is designed for a specific lamp, which has a
nominal current rating - this info was hard enough to find when I was a
ballast designer, let alone 'on the street'. Then there is the question of
whether or not they use starters.
If they are electronic ballasts (they will either state that on the cover,
or will be noticeably lightweight compared to magnetic ballast (which
requires previous ballast lifting knowledge base!), dimming can be
accomplished by a handful of techiques, usually proprietary to a specific
manufacturer's design.
So, I don't think there's a simple answer regarding dimming for
fluorescents. If they are dimming ballasts they will almost definitely say
so on the case...probably with warnings so you don't plug any low voltage
control wiring into 120 vac (some dimming ballasts use 10VDC control
circuit)
Email me the case info (everything you can read on the ballasts (which means
popping the cover on the fixture), and maybe I can help you figure it out.
Magnetic ballasts are weird...and an occasional one with weird wiring will
pop up.
To make this reply relevant to the list, some literature advises against
using fluorescent lamps in machine tool environments because at a specific
rotational speed, moving machinery can appear stationary due to stroboscopic
effect (50-60 Hz ballasts), which (according to the literature) increases
the risk of injury (I guess that would require hearing impairment too, if
you don't hear the machine running and stick your hand into something.
Electronic ballasts drive the lamp at typically 25-50 kHz for about 15%
higher light output and elimination of the stroboscopic effect...safer with
machine tools.
Finally - something I can contribute to the list -unfortunately pretty
trivial.
Murray
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MASS, I OPTED FOR 'COMPACT FLORESCENT' BULBS IN THE HOME. THE FIRST ONES
ARRIVED... SOMETHING LIKE 5-8 DOLLARS A PIECE, WITH REPLACABLE BULB SEPERATE
FROM THE ELECTRONIC BALLIST. THESE WERE 'NON-DIMABLE'... HOWEVER THE SECOND
SHIPMENT I BOUGHT WERE ALL LABELED DIMABLE! (YES, IT HAD THE EXCALAMTION
POINT AS WELL)...ACCORDING TO THE PACKAGE, THESE FLORESCENT BULBS WILL DIM
WITH A NORMAL DIMMING LIGHT SWITCH
REGARDS---DAVE L.
-----Original Message-----
From: multi-volti@... [mailto:multi-volti@...]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:08 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Fluorescent ballast + dimming & machine tools
Hello:
Fluorescent lighting and dimming is not common.
If they are magnetic ballasts (big heavy inductors), the only practical way
to dim is with a series capacitor - and this is beyond the average person's
design skills - because of the ac line voltage, a pretty rugged capacitor is
needed, and each ballast is designed for a specific lamp, which has a
nominal current rating - this info was hard enough to find when I was a
ballast designer, let alone 'on the street'. Then there is the question of
whether or not they use starters.
If they are electronic ballasts (they will either state that on the cover,
or will be noticeably lightweight compared to magnetic ballast (which
requires previous ballast lifting knowledge base!), dimming can be
accomplished by a handful of techiques, usually proprietary to a specific
manufacturer's design.
So, I don't think there's a simple answer regarding dimming for
fluorescents. If they are dimming ballasts they will almost definitely say
so on the case...probably with warnings so you don't plug any low voltage
control wiring into 120 vac (some dimming ballasts use 10VDC control
circuit)
Email me the case info (everything you can read on the ballasts (which means
popping the cover on the fixture), and maybe I can help you figure it out.
Magnetic ballasts are weird...and an occasional one with weird wiring will
pop up.
To make this reply relevant to the list, some literature advises against
using fluorescent lamps in machine tool environments because at a specific
rotational speed, moving machinery can appear stationary due to stroboscopic
effect (50-60 Hz ballasts), which (according to the literature) increases
the risk of injury (I guess that would require hearing impairment too, if
you don't hear the machine running and stick your hand into something.
Electronic ballasts drive the lamp at typically 25-50 kHz for about 15%
higher light output and elimination of the stroboscopic effect...safer with
machine tools.
Finally - something I can contribute to the list -unfortunately pretty
trivial.
Murray
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2001-09-18 05:23:44 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Fluorescent ballast + dimming & machine too ls