Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z Axis Mechanical Layout Options - Bridgeport M Head

Graeme,
How stupid, I fogot the link. http://www.motovidia.com/MILL pics

Marv

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marv Frankel" <dcdziner@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z Axis Mechanical Layout Options - Bridgeport
M Head


> Graeme,
> One of the other guys in the group posted this link, with
> pictures of his project, and I thought you might be interested. From the
> pictures, it looks like he could raise a battleship with the size of the
> motor, pulleys, and timing belts.
>
> Marv
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graeme Murray" <graemem@...>
> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z Axis Mechanical Layout Options -
Bridgeport
> M Head
>
>
> > Hi Marv,
> > I will take some and get them away as soon as poss.
> > Maybe tomorrow
> > Regards Graeme
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marv Frankel" <dcdziner@...>
> > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z Axis Mechanical Layout Options -
> Bridgeport
> > M Head
> >
> >
> > > Graeme,
> > > I haven't started the retrofit on my Enco mill (8 X 36)
yet,
> > but
> > > I'm interested in your Z axis solution. If you can, either post the
> photos
> > > on the Yahoo Group site, or send them to me directly.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Marv Frankel
> > > Los Angeles
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Graeme Murray" <graemem@...>
> > > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z Axis Mechanical Layout Options -
> > Bridgeport
> > > M Head
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Mark ,
> > > > I bought a clone mill (FIRST with 50 x 10 table) a couple of years
> ago.
> > > It
> > > > had been retrofitted with SERVO Products controller and 3 axis
drives.
> > > > When I bought it it wasn't fully working. Had a couple of electronic
> > > > problems which the folk at SERVO gave me wonderful help with and I
was
> > > able
> > > > to fix.
> > > > However the Z axis had been adapted locally with a mixture of tooth
> > belts
> > > > and gears ( they had done a frightening amount of work to produce a
> > crappy
> > > > result) to drive the quill pinion and it was not working and the
> > previous
> > > > owner seemed to have had continuing problems with it.
> > > > From bits and pieces I had learned from this group and elsewhere I
> > decided
> > > > this approach was not for me, so I started from scratch and built a
> > quill
> > > > drive using a screw positioned where the depth stop screw was fitted
.
> > > > There was a retrofitted mill at my place of work so I was able to
have
> a
> > > > good look at it , though I did not copy it exactly. I had room to
fit
> a
> > > > double tooth belt drive to the screw which enabled me to mount the
> motor
> > > > vertically at the side and with a second short belt turn the drive
at
> > > right
> > > > angles and drive the screw. This enabled me to keep the block
mounted
> > on
> > > > the front of the quill short and consequently reduce the cantilever
> > > effect.
> > > > I used a piece of acme screw material (good quality stuff) and a
> > matching
> > > > bronze nut. I cut the nut in half and built an adjustable anti
> backlash
> > > nut
> > > > assy. At the time this cost $96 NZ which was about 1/6 of the cost
of
> a
> > > ball
> > > > screw and I wanted to be sure things worked.
> > > > Of course , guess what I found in a second hand machinery dealers
shop
> 6
> > > > weeks later .... a brand new 16mm ballscrew with nut the right
length
> ,
> > > for
> > > > $160NZ !!! So I now have that stowed away for insurance .
> > > > However that was nearly 2 years ago and the Z-axis has been working
> fine
> > .
> > > > About 1.5 thou of backlash last time I checked, but I can live with
> that
> > > for
> > > > the work I have been doing.
> > > > I did manage to stuff up one particular time and drove a cutter
> straight
> > > > down into a block of plastic when the motor was still switched to
> manual
> > > and
> > > > didnt run.
> > > > Broke the belt and gave me a heck (I'm trying to be polite) of a
> fright
> > .
> > > > However a new belt fixed it and didnt do any other damage.
> > > > I can email you some photos if you like . Perhaps I should tune
myself
> > in
> > > to
> > > > how to put pics on the group files . It is much easier to follow on
a
> > > > picture.
> > > > I definitely would not consider driving the quill rack and pinion
> > though.
> > > > Backlash can be a major pain and the rack has not been designed for
> > > > measurement accuracy, that comment comes from guys way back on the
> list
> > > and
> > > > others ,not just me.
> > > > If I can help lets know
> > > > Regards
> > > > Graeme
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "natchamp_87" <mark@...>
> > > > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:31 PM
> > > > Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z Axis Mechanical Layout Options -
> Bridgeport
> > M
> > > > Head
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I got my new (to me!) BP M head mill. I have already
started
> > > > > taking it apart for the clean up, ball screws, etc. One of the
> > > > > things I have not resolved is the best way to accomodate the Z
axis
> > > > > travel. I am hoping someone can shed some light on the best way
to
> > > > > accomplish this.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I move the quil, it appears there are a couple ways to do this.
> > > > > 1) mount a motor to turn the same shaft as the hand lever. This
to
> > > > > me has a problem of very long travel for a given rotational travel
> of
> > > > > the motor, unless I severly under drive the pulley which still
might
> > > > > not be enough?
> > > > > 2) mount a motor to turn the fine feed shaft and worm gear. This
> > > > > would fix the long travel per motor rotaion in 1 but the worm gear
> > > > > isn't fixed to the shaft, it works on friction. I could key-way
the
> > > > > worm gear onto the shaft? This, to me, seems like the best
approach
> > > > > for moving the quil.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I move the knee I would need a bigger motor and could still
under
> > > > > drive to address the higher torque required. However, there
doesn't
> > > > > appear to be any good mounting locations for this method.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anybody shed some light on this? I know people have done this
> > > > > many times and would love to hear some insight. Thanks a bunch.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > > mark@...
> > > > > www.mark.hargett.com
> > > > >
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