Re: Just an idea
Posted by
Mariss Freimanis
on 2000-06-16 19:15:03 UTC
Nothing wrong with gel cells. I'm only focusing on Nicads (or NiMH if
you will, same animal) only because of much lower source impedence,
twice the energy density, quick-charge capability, small form factor
(AA size) and 1/3 the weight of lead-acid batteries. The AH rating I
feel is very secondary; a 25 Amp pulse for 100 ms discharges only
0.3% of the charge stored in a .5 AH battery. This charge can be
fully restored during the quiescient phase of the duty cycle.
Regarding exploding NiCads; they will if shorted; counterintuitively
that is their advantage. Simply square the cell voltage, then divide
by the source impedance (1.25 * 1.25 / .02). The result is 80W
dissipation in a AA size package. It will blow. It is their ability
to provide high pulse currents, when abused, will make them explode.
Having overly powerfull motors was an objection to this approach. I
must respectfully disagree with this. Motors are expensive and should
be sized to the task. If a 1HP peak motor is used, one should expect
to get 1 HP at peak power. It isn't a case of overdriving the motor,
rather it is one of getting by with the smallest and least expensive
power supply.
To be practical, I would design safety features up the kazoo; MOSFET
switch based current limiting at 25 Amps backed up with a 30A fuse,
undervoltage and overtemp detect and use the latest NiMH charge
controller IC that is used to manage laptop computer batteries. The
MOSFET would also serve as a switch-over device; much more efficient
than even a shottky rectifier. I think it bears further work.
Mariss
you will, same animal) only because of much lower source impedence,
twice the energy density, quick-charge capability, small form factor
(AA size) and 1/3 the weight of lead-acid batteries. The AH rating I
feel is very secondary; a 25 Amp pulse for 100 ms discharges only
0.3% of the charge stored in a .5 AH battery. This charge can be
fully restored during the quiescient phase of the duty cycle.
Regarding exploding NiCads; they will if shorted; counterintuitively
that is their advantage. Simply square the cell voltage, then divide
by the source impedance (1.25 * 1.25 / .02). The result is 80W
dissipation in a AA size package. It will blow. It is their ability
to provide high pulse currents, when abused, will make them explode.
Having overly powerfull motors was an objection to this approach. I
must respectfully disagree with this. Motors are expensive and should
be sized to the task. If a 1HP peak motor is used, one should expect
to get 1 HP at peak power. It isn't a case of overdriving the motor,
rather it is one of getting by with the smallest and least expensive
power supply.
To be practical, I would design safety features up the kazoo; MOSFET
switch based current limiting at 25 Amps backed up with a 30A fuse,
undervoltage and overtemp detect and use the latest NiMH charge
controller IC that is used to manage laptop computer batteries. The
MOSFET would also serve as a switch-over device; much more efficient
than even a shottky rectifier. I think it bears further work.
Mariss
> What about lead-acid gell cells? These run about $18.00 with 4AHrating,
> have substantially longer life (no memory problem) than nicads andare less
> prone to exploding under heavy loads. Ten security alarm back-upbatteries
> would yield 132V for $180. The gell cells don't seem to gas mucheither.
>
> Doug
Discussion Thread
Jon Elson
2000-06-16 14:59:16 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Just an idea
Doug Harrison
2000-06-16 17:26:25 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Just an idea
Mariss Freimanis
2000-06-16 19:15:03 UTC
Re: Just an idea