Re: Installing rotary encoders
Posted by
Ted
on 1999-06-15 13:10:07 UTC
rtr@...
Jon,
I have no disagreement with anything you have said except for the method of
measuring axial displacement. When an axis is quickly stopped after
traversing under load, even heavily built cast iron milling machines
exhibit more than the static displacement measured by pushing and pulling
the axis. That's why I suggest a shock (Gentle, of course) method of
measuring axial displacement.
I have often used helical cut couplers and find them satisfactory. I
suggested the surgical tubing as a low cost alternative for encoders in the
50 to 200 cycle range. When you get to very high resolution encoders, you
run out of error budget with surgical tubing. The shrink tubing and a
small metal tubing sleeve might help keep oil off the rubber.
Ted
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Jon,
I have no disagreement with anything you have said except for the method of
measuring axial displacement. When an axis is quickly stopped after
traversing under load, even heavily built cast iron milling machines
exhibit more than the static displacement measured by pushing and pulling
the axis. That's why I suggest a shock (Gentle, of course) method of
measuring axial displacement.
I have often used helical cut couplers and find them satisfactory. I
suggested the surgical tubing as a low cost alternative for encoders in the
50 to 200 cycle range. When you get to very high resolution encoders, you
run out of error budget with surgical tubing. The shrink tubing and a
small metal tubing sleeve might help keep oil off the rubber.
Ted
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> From: Jon Elson <jmelson@...>you to
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Installing rotary encoders
> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:01 AM
>
> From: Jon Elson <jmelson@...>
>
>
>
> > From: "Ted" <rtr@...>
> >
> > This procedure isn't difficult, but must be understood to successfully
> > install a rotary encoder where none have been before.
> >
> >
> > Then drill and tap for a couple of set screws at 90 degrees to allow
> > indicate it in. Put the indicator near the end of the pin, becausethat's
> > where the coupling will fit. The pin doesn't needto stick out morethat an
> > inch when you finish. You can cut it off and file the end when youhave it
> > in place, indicated, and clamped with the set screws. Do thiswork onthe
> > pin gently then indicate it again. Encoders don't like a lot ofvibration
> > so bring it within 3 thousandths or better. I'm always happier if itprovide
> > comes within one and a half thousandths.
>
> Most encoder warranties are voided by NOT using an appropriate coupling.
> I use couplings made from a single piece of metal, slotted helically to
> radial and axial compliance, but no torsional compliance.couplers.
>
> >
> > You can connect it with an oldham coupler or similar low inertia
> > Surprisingly, if you mount it so the shaft pin and the encoder pincome
> > within a few thousandths beyond the slop in the system, you can use apiece
> > of surgical tubing for the coupling. You can add an outer layer ofheat
> > shrink tubing if you think the surgical tubing is too compliant, butI've
> > never had to. The extra stiffness will transmit more vibration to thecoupling.
> > encoder, a bad trade off. There is little friction in good encoder
> > bearings so the surgical tubing wall thickness is adaquate for a
> > Obviously, you can't do this if you need to drive the screw or brake iterror
> > through the encoder shaft, a bad idea in any case.
>
> Actually, many good encoders have a fair amount of drag in their
> bearings. They use a pair of angular contact bearings with preload, to
> stiffly constrain the shaft from any radial movement, which would
> show up incorrectly as rotation. They also have at least one, usually
> two shaft seals, to keep crud out of the bearings, and grease out
> of the optics. That all adds up to inch-ounces of static drag.
> I'm using 1000 line encoders, counting all transitions, so that is
> 4000 counts/rev, or more than a count for every tenth of a degree.
> It would be foolish to waste that accuracy with a homemade coupling
> that allowed twist to develop. Also, the metal coupling is good for
> many years, what if the surgical rubber turned to gum? Do you know
> what OIL does to LATEX? Yucck!
>
> >
> > Besides eccentricity in the rotation of the encoder coupling pin, the
> > that kills the most encoders is failure to allow enough room betweenthe
> > ends of these two shafts. All sorts of distortions occur when an axisis
> > stopped after a rapid movement. Ten thousandths of longitudional slopis
> > not unusual in a ball screw, more in an acme screw.it.
>
> I don't know how a precision machine could possibly keep any accuracy
> if there is .010" longitudinal movement of the screw! I have a total of
> .001" of slack in my mill, and I'd like to find the sources, and reduce
> But, that is the sum of ALL the sources of slack, like torsion of thediscussion of shop built systems in the above catagories.
> leadscrew, shaft couplings, bowing of the screw, slack in the angular
> contact bearings, slop in the anti-backlash ballnut, etc. etc.
>
> Jon
>
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Discussion Thread
Ted
1999-06-14 18:54:08 UTC
Installing rotary encoders
Jon Elson
1999-06-15 00:01:23 UTC
Re: Installing rotary encoders
Ted
1999-06-15 13:10:07 UTC
Re: Installing rotary encoders
TADGUNINC@x...
1999-06-15 20:06:24 UTC
Re: Installing rotary encoders
Tim Goldstein
1999-06-15 21:29:17 UTC
Re: Installing rotary encoders
Jon Elson
1999-06-15 23:38:24 UTC
Re: Installing rotary encoders