RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Power Supply Guidance Needed

Ron,
Thanks for the input. I have e-mailed the good people over at
Acme to get the white papers on the transformers I have. I should know
more tomorrow. If they put out 70V and are rated for 120V input than I
am in business. I understand you can parallel the output from 2 of the
same transformers if the impedance is within a few percent of each
other. Do you have any idea how to measure it? I was thinking of
paralleling 2 of the 3 transformers that I have because I think they are
around 1000VA or so.
I have 6 5400uF capacitors on hand that are larger than a soda
can that I would like to use. I figure about 4 of them if I'm thinking
correctly. Also there was a 50W 750ohm bleed resistor across each set of
caps (3 sets of 2ea.). Do you think one will be enough or should I put 2
in series to handle the extra current?
One more question. If I have a 2500KVA transformer (or 2 smaller
ones) what kind of amp draw will it have on 120V? I'm still trying to
come up with a nice crowbar design for emergency shutdown. Any help from
anyone would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Larry Olson


-----Original Message-----
From: R Rogers [mailto:rogersmach@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Power Supply Guidance Needed

Larry,

I seen your post this morning and didn't have time to respond. My how
times change, a year or so back you would've gotten 10
responses..anyways, I'll offer this...

The servos should be around 10 amps continuous, the 32 amps is
undoubtedly the stall current rating. I don't know why they give failure
ratings on servos, it's like the car salesman telling someone the engine
blows at 9000 rpm. Servos should never be ran anywhere near the peak
stall current.

So, working with 10 amps continuous per servo. Some will tell you to
build a power supply 10 amps times the number of axis but, I dont agree
with this. That much available current is just asking for problems.
Crash the machine and it starts frying drives. 3 axis? that would be 30
amps at whatever voltage you wish to use. You wish to use Rutex drives?
There was a lengthy discussion recently on the accuracy of their
ratings. The drive gurus decided the max rating was more like 20 amps
120 volts, not 40 and 200 as claimed. The jury is actually still out
being that Rutex has not rebutted the concerns, that I know of anyway.

Lets assume 20 amps and 100 volts DC. Thats what I would design the
power supply for. To get that you will need 70 volts AC from the
secondary (1.414 RMS). And 36 amps (factor of 1.8 loss once rectified)
or 2.5 kva. So a toroid or two toroids in parallel with 70 volt AC
secondaries and a rating or combined rating of 2.5 kva.

The transformer you have sounds like it may fit the bill. Try it, if
it's too small, upgrade later. If you measure the core, some of the guys
on here can give you an approximate VA rating.

None of the above or below is hardfast, rather a place to start and
some basic formulas, plug in the true numbers for actual ratings.

Now for the Capacitors. Take the continuous amperage of all three (30)
and multiply that by 80,000 then divide by the DC voltage to arrive at
the capacitance required (macrofarad).

So, 30 X 80,000 =2,400,000 / 100 = 24,000 uF. You would need a Cap
with a voltage of at least 120 volts DC (20% safety margin)and a
Capacitance of 24k uF. These can be multiple in parallel to make up the
value if smaller uF values are all thats available. The voltage still
needs to be 20% higher regardless of how many are used.

The Bridge Rectifier: Go at least 200 volts and 35 amps.


Hope this helps, Ron






oldpayphones <larry@...> wrote:
Hello Again,
I need some help with PS design. I have a Bridgeport that had
steppers
on it. I found 3 used NEMA 42 SEM servos that have a maximun current
of
145VDC @ 32A so I was wondering what VA rating on the transformer I
would need and also what would be a good rectifier bridge choice? I
was
thinking that about 1500VA on the tranny and voltage around 100 or
so.
Am I in the ballpark? I also want to put a crowbar on the whole thing
operated by table limit switches and E-Stop. I still have the 3
original stepper motor supplies and saturable reactors. Are they good
for anything? I have been unable to locate any information on the
main
transformers (ACME T-68932)so this leads me to believe that they are
built especially for Bridgeport. Does anyone have the specifications
on
them? It seems that they have an output of 70V with 120V on the
primary. Just about right but I think they were designed to run at
about 40V on the primary though. I plan to run Rutex 2020 drives. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Larry Olson






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