Demands, and Threats to Un Subscribe
Posted by
wanliker@a...
on 2006-07-27 17:26:38 UTC
In a message dated 7/27/2006 6:00:04 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
eexgs@... writes:
I insist that you remove the current photo and replace it with
Sorry but you don't have the right to demand anything in this group.
You as an individual are .00001062 % of the group members, so I think you
are taking a lot on yourself demanding anything.
If you choose to un subscribe, please do so
.
Unsubscribe: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
You as a member of this group agreed by joining to adhere to the rules, if
you can't do that then unsubscribe.
Unsubscribe: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
I started this group to help people with certain constraints, and that
situation has never changed, nor will it while I still live.
Dr gave me a pretty good bill of health last week..
bill
List Mom
This list is for the discussion of CNC and related topics including CAD, CAM,
EDM, & DRO. The list focuses on the construction of home shop CNC machines
along with the technologies a CNC hobbyist will need in a Home Shop
environment. This list does NOT cover general machining techniques, speeds & feeds, or
any other type question that would have the same answer for a manual machine.
This is not a forum for the discussion of commercial shop issues, but commercial
users are welcome and encouraged to participate in the discussion of hobby
related issues and the building of machines that are likely to be used in a home
shop. This group is strictly aimed at the "home workshop bunch".
Normally this list is not moderated, but is closely monitored. New member
start out moderated and will be converted to unmoderated once we see a couple of
post. This is done to keep out spammer and other trouble makers. Any member is
subject to moderation or banning without notice if they create problems on
the list or violate any of the below rules. Moderators can be reached off list
at CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-owner@yahoogroups.com to discuss any decision or to make
suggestion.
We feel that what makes the CCED list so valuable and actively read is that
it is very tightly focused. Members know they can subscribe to this list and
learn useful and valuable information on building a CNC machine without wasting
time on general yak and shop talk. If you are looking for a place to jaw with
some crusty machinists this is not it. If you are looking to learn about CNC
machining and how to implement this in your own workshop then you have found
the right place.
LIST RULES:
o Any request, offers, or discussion of pirated or cracked software is
strictly forbidden and can result in the posters immediate banning without prior
notice.
o Flaming, Off Topic Posts, Arguments, or rabble rousing are not allowed with
the threat of immediate moderation or banning if you feel you must.
o Posting items for sale or auction is allowed as long as the items are
directly related to the subject matter of this list and the privilege is not
abused. Abuse would be considered repeatedly posting the same items in a short time
period or posting a catalog type listing. Posting the prices for items you
have to sell is acceptable and encouraged. All dealing on an item are to be
conducted privately. Listing of items you sell in your signature is acceptable if
it is related to the topics of this list and is not the primary message in your
post.
o Off Topic Posts. This is a large list and we are very serious about keeping
it focused. Off topic posts are very unwelcome. If a moderator declares a
particular discussion as off topic it is to be dropped immediately. Any
discussion or comments regarding the decision are to be handled off list to the
moderators at CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-owner@yahoogroups.com
Here is our philosophy on determining on and off topic subjects.
We have to make a division somewhere or almost anything can be construed as
being a CNC topic. The general decision is that if the item would have no
meaning if you removed the CNC part it is on topic. On the other hand if the answer
is identical without the CNC in the question it is not an appropriate topic.
As an example if you ask "how do I machine Delran on my CNC machine?" it is
off topic as it is really a general shop question. Machining Delran on a CNC
machine is no different than machining it on a manual machine. If the question is
"Will Delran work as a good split nut on my home designed CNC router ?" that
would be on topic as it is specific to CNC as the wear and acceptable backlash
are different than on a manual machine.
Off topic posts are a big deal with a list the size of the CCED. If every
member asked an off topic question even once a year that is over 8 a day. Can you
imagine the list traffic that would be devoted to non-related issues if 8
were asked a day when you figure in the replies. If you wish to post on unlimited
subjects go to: rec.crafts.metalworking or
http://www.metalworking.com/news_servers.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jobshophomeshop
We try to apply an even measure in maintaining order on the list. Basically
it works like this: Blatant violation of well know rules get immediate
moderation or banning (reserved for spam, porn, software piracy, unsociable behavior).
Obvious violations that are questionable in intent (they may have though it
was OK) get stern warning. Pushing the envelope, but not clearly off topic gets
not so subtle reminders.
How we interpret the list rules in regard to product promotion on the list:
A onetime announcement regarding a product is acceptable if it is a new item
or product line that would be of interest to the list members and is within
the scope of the items we allow discussion on. This would meant that an offering
similar to the example #1 for drives, motors, machines, CAD/CAM/Controller
software, and other topic related items would be welcome. A similar post for
crack software, cutters, oil, air lines, pills, potions, porn, vacations, get
rich quick, etc. would not be acceptable as they do not deal with items that are
considered acceptable topics for this list.
We do not allow infomercial only posts beyond the onetime announcement
spelled out above and in example #1. This is not to say that the list can not be
used quite successfully for the promotion of a topic related product. What we do
allow is the posting of product promotion in the signature when replying to or
posting on an acceptable topic. So, if you want to participate in a
discussion and share your knowledge of the topic at hand you are welcome to include a
signature reminder or your company and product. Additionally, you are always
welcome to recommend your products when it is a suitable solution for a posters
question. An example would be if someone asks about suitable widget for their
CNC conversion. You would be more than welcome to suggest your company product
and explain why it would be a good choice if it is an acceptable product for
this application. The final acceptable way to use the list is if you are
willing to offer a special price to list members. This is the only context in which
a commercial only post is allowed beyond the initial post and is only
acceptable if it truly is a special deal, is honestly restricted to list members, is
not your only postings to the list (in other words, it is a benefit of being a
supporter of the discussion on the list), and is not done on too frequent a
basis (one a month would be about the most). It is the right of the moderator
team to determine if this type of post is being abused and delete or reject any
post they view as not conforming to the spirit of the group.
Example #1
Topic: New CCED Topic acceptable item announcement.
Dear group,
We are Hyper Co and we are now offering/selling/producing a revolutionary XYZ
widget item. This item will revolutionize hobby CNC with its ability to jump
higher, move faster, be more intuitive, etc than anything offered by our
competitors.
The details on the XYZ widget are as follows:
Blah, blah, blah.
XYZ Widget sells for $$$ and is available directly from Hyper Co of from the
Captive Widget Web Co site at www.CaptiveWidget.com
If you have further questions about the XYZ Widget please feel free to
contact us off list at sales@...
Thanks,
Maggy Marketer
Hyper Co
Anywhere USA
NOTICE: ANY AND ALL MESSAGES POSTED TO THIS GROUP ARE CONSIDERED PUBLIC
DOMAIN, IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; DO NOT POST TO THIS LIST. POSTING TO THIS LIST
WILL BE CONSIDERED AS ACCEPTING THIS CONDITION. NO EXCEPTIONS FOR ANY MEMBER
****************
response to this list, just their url or product. Happens a couple times a
week. If it is a newbie, I explain, then warn, then ban. This list is not a
spam box.
Also someone who has altered software and wants to know about licensing or
use. What benefit is that to the home user as regards building ? (answer
off list if you want to reply)
Using products and mentioning their names is not commercial, even if you are
the dealer.
Offering solutions to others problems by the use of your products is not
commercial, IF you explain the engineering/software solution. Including
engineering goes a long way for the whole group. Posting a URL as the sole response
does not.
Answering questions as to the use of your product will most likely be on
topic as Marriss and Fred and others keep replies general to all who may have a
similar problem.
Trying to figure out how to market your version of hardware/software is way
over the line. Chances are A single post, and A single reply will go
unnoticed. A thread will get stopped cold.
Re-read the list rules in the files section and see how the spirit of the
rules go. This list is primarily for the guy making his home shop machine. From
a guy who has a foundry and soldering iron and makes every part to a guy who
wants to buy a Bridgeport and assemble it with all commercial devices.
This list is not and never will be a platform to discuss the marketing or
development of commercial products. Asking what is needed and wanted in your
stuff is probably not. Post 68418 is over the line if you want an example.
Bill stepped in before I did to say that the user side of the thread is fine,
but get it on topic.
I probably would have killed the thread outright when it went that far off
the rails. I think Bill saw that there was interest and asked to bring it back.
The bottom line is that when Bill or Tim or any of the moderators ask to
bring it back on topic, it has already strayed, but the request to bring it back
means we accept that there is some group interest that is on topic. If we
can't see that, the thread is dead.
The bottom line is that if you don't like the call, read the list rules, and
see if the thread is in the spirit of the list. Then e-mail Bill or the list
moderators for an explanation. (E-mail address at the bottom of this)
I posted this to the list as questions of why we decide the topic has strayed
comes up occasionally. And many don't get that the spirit of the list is for
building a home unit is our guiding principle.
I am going to post a copy of this in the list rules folder in the files
section for future reference.
This post is NOT open for list discussion. Period.
If you want to discuss, e-mail me off list or better yet, e-mail all of the
group moderators at
CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-owner at yahoogroups.com
Dave
List moderator
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eexgs@... writes:
I insist that you remove the current photo and replace it with
> something less insulting. A pubic apology is not an unreasonable wayPhil,
> forward either.
>
> I'm sure I won't be missed but I am about ready to unsubscribe.
>
> Regards
> Phil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sorry but you don't have the right to demand anything in this group.
You as an individual are .00001062 % of the group members, so I think you
are taking a lot on yourself demanding anything.
If you choose to un subscribe, please do so
.
Unsubscribe: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
You as a member of this group agreed by joining to adhere to the rules, if
you can't do that then unsubscribe.
Unsubscribe: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
I started this group to help people with certain constraints, and that
situation has never changed, nor will it while I still live.
Dr gave me a pretty good bill of health last week..
bill
List Mom
This list is for the discussion of CNC and related topics including CAD, CAM,
EDM, & DRO. The list focuses on the construction of home shop CNC machines
along with the technologies a CNC hobbyist will need in a Home Shop
environment. This list does NOT cover general machining techniques, speeds & feeds, or
any other type question that would have the same answer for a manual machine.
This is not a forum for the discussion of commercial shop issues, but commercial
users are welcome and encouraged to participate in the discussion of hobby
related issues and the building of machines that are likely to be used in a home
shop. This group is strictly aimed at the "home workshop bunch".
Normally this list is not moderated, but is closely monitored. New member
start out moderated and will be converted to unmoderated once we see a couple of
post. This is done to keep out spammer and other trouble makers. Any member is
subject to moderation or banning without notice if they create problems on
the list or violate any of the below rules. Moderators can be reached off list
at CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-owner@yahoogroups.com to discuss any decision or to make
suggestion.
We feel that what makes the CCED list so valuable and actively read is that
it is very tightly focused. Members know they can subscribe to this list and
learn useful and valuable information on building a CNC machine without wasting
time on general yak and shop talk. If you are looking for a place to jaw with
some crusty machinists this is not it. If you are looking to learn about CNC
machining and how to implement this in your own workshop then you have found
the right place.
LIST RULES:
o Any request, offers, or discussion of pirated or cracked software is
strictly forbidden and can result in the posters immediate banning without prior
notice.
o Flaming, Off Topic Posts, Arguments, or rabble rousing are not allowed with
the threat of immediate moderation or banning if you feel you must.
o Posting items for sale or auction is allowed as long as the items are
directly related to the subject matter of this list and the privilege is not
abused. Abuse would be considered repeatedly posting the same items in a short time
period or posting a catalog type listing. Posting the prices for items you
have to sell is acceptable and encouraged. All dealing on an item are to be
conducted privately. Listing of items you sell in your signature is acceptable if
it is related to the topics of this list and is not the primary message in your
post.
o Off Topic Posts. This is a large list and we are very serious about keeping
it focused. Off topic posts are very unwelcome. If a moderator declares a
particular discussion as off topic it is to be dropped immediately. Any
discussion or comments regarding the decision are to be handled off list to the
moderators at CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-owner@yahoogroups.com
Here is our philosophy on determining on and off topic subjects.
We have to make a division somewhere or almost anything can be construed as
being a CNC topic. The general decision is that if the item would have no
meaning if you removed the CNC part it is on topic. On the other hand if the answer
is identical without the CNC in the question it is not an appropriate topic.
As an example if you ask "how do I machine Delran on my CNC machine?" it is
off topic as it is really a general shop question. Machining Delran on a CNC
machine is no different than machining it on a manual machine. If the question is
"Will Delran work as a good split nut on my home designed CNC router ?" that
would be on topic as it is specific to CNC as the wear and acceptable backlash
are different than on a manual machine.
Off topic posts are a big deal with a list the size of the CCED. If every
member asked an off topic question even once a year that is over 8 a day. Can you
imagine the list traffic that would be devoted to non-related issues if 8
were asked a day when you figure in the replies. If you wish to post on unlimited
subjects go to: rec.crafts.metalworking or
http://www.metalworking.com/news_servers.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jobshophomeshop
We try to apply an even measure in maintaining order on the list. Basically
it works like this: Blatant violation of well know rules get immediate
moderation or banning (reserved for spam, porn, software piracy, unsociable behavior).
Obvious violations that are questionable in intent (they may have though it
was OK) get stern warning. Pushing the envelope, but not clearly off topic gets
not so subtle reminders.
How we interpret the list rules in regard to product promotion on the list:
A onetime announcement regarding a product is acceptable if it is a new item
or product line that would be of interest to the list members and is within
the scope of the items we allow discussion on. This would meant that an offering
similar to the example #1 for drives, motors, machines, CAD/CAM/Controller
software, and other topic related items would be welcome. A similar post for
crack software, cutters, oil, air lines, pills, potions, porn, vacations, get
rich quick, etc. would not be acceptable as they do not deal with items that are
considered acceptable topics for this list.
We do not allow infomercial only posts beyond the onetime announcement
spelled out above and in example #1. This is not to say that the list can not be
used quite successfully for the promotion of a topic related product. What we do
allow is the posting of product promotion in the signature when replying to or
posting on an acceptable topic. So, if you want to participate in a
discussion and share your knowledge of the topic at hand you are welcome to include a
signature reminder or your company and product. Additionally, you are always
welcome to recommend your products when it is a suitable solution for a posters
question. An example would be if someone asks about suitable widget for their
CNC conversion. You would be more than welcome to suggest your company product
and explain why it would be a good choice if it is an acceptable product for
this application. The final acceptable way to use the list is if you are
willing to offer a special price to list members. This is the only context in which
a commercial only post is allowed beyond the initial post and is only
acceptable if it truly is a special deal, is honestly restricted to list members, is
not your only postings to the list (in other words, it is a benefit of being a
supporter of the discussion on the list), and is not done on too frequent a
basis (one a month would be about the most). It is the right of the moderator
team to determine if this type of post is being abused and delete or reject any
post they view as not conforming to the spirit of the group.
Example #1
Topic: New CCED Topic acceptable item announcement.
Dear group,
We are Hyper Co and we are now offering/selling/producing a revolutionary XYZ
widget item. This item will revolutionize hobby CNC with its ability to jump
higher, move faster, be more intuitive, etc than anything offered by our
competitors.
The details on the XYZ widget are as follows:
Blah, blah, blah.
XYZ Widget sells for $$$ and is available directly from Hyper Co of from the
Captive Widget Web Co site at www.CaptiveWidget.com
If you have further questions about the XYZ Widget please feel free to
contact us off list at sales@...
Thanks,
Maggy Marketer
Hyper Co
Anywhere USA
NOTICE: ANY AND ALL MESSAGES POSTED TO THIS GROUP ARE CONSIDERED PUBLIC
DOMAIN, IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; DO NOT POST TO THIS LIST. POSTING TO THIS LIST
WILL BE CONSIDERED AS ACCEPTING THIS CONDITION. NO EXCEPTIONS FOR ANY MEMBER
****************
> .... Define Commercial.As a moderator, I see it as people posting just their site and no question or
response to this list, just their url or product. Happens a couple times a
week. If it is a newbie, I explain, then warn, then ban. This list is not a
spam box.
Also someone who has altered software and wants to know about licensing or
use. What benefit is that to the home user as regards building ? (answer
off list if you want to reply)
Using products and mentioning their names is not commercial, even if you are
the dealer.
Offering solutions to others problems by the use of your products is not
commercial, IF you explain the engineering/software solution. Including
engineering goes a long way for the whole group. Posting a URL as the sole response
does not.
Answering questions as to the use of your product will most likely be on
topic as Marriss and Fred and others keep replies general to all who may have a
similar problem.
Trying to figure out how to market your version of hardware/software is way
over the line. Chances are A single post, and A single reply will go
unnoticed. A thread will get stopped cold.
Re-read the list rules in the files section and see how the spirit of the
rules go. This list is primarily for the guy making his home shop machine. From
a guy who has a foundry and soldering iron and makes every part to a guy who
wants to buy a Bridgeport and assemble it with all commercial devices.
This list is not and never will be a platform to discuss the marketing or
development of commercial products. Asking what is needed and wanted in your
stuff is probably not. Post 68418 is over the line if you want an example.
Bill stepped in before I did to say that the user side of the thread is fine,
but get it on topic.
I probably would have killed the thread outright when it went that far off
the rails. I think Bill saw that there was interest and asked to bring it back.
The bottom line is that when Bill or Tim or any of the moderators ask to
bring it back on topic, it has already strayed, but the request to bring it back
means we accept that there is some group interest that is on topic. If we
can't see that, the thread is dead.
The bottom line is that if you don't like the call, read the list rules, and
see if the thread is in the spirit of the list. Then e-mail Bill or the list
moderators for an explanation. (E-mail address at the bottom of this)
I posted this to the list as questions of why we decide the topic has strayed
comes up occasionally. And many don't get that the spirit of the list is for
building a home unit is our guiding principle.
I am going to post a copy of this in the list rules folder in the files
section for future reference.
This post is NOT open for list discussion. Period.
If you want to discuss, e-mail me off list or better yet, e-mail all of the
group moderators at
CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO-owner at yahoogroups.com
Dave
List moderator
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