RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] The Fred Smith VECTOR conference!

AMEN!

John Guenther
Sterling, Virginia

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Goldstein [mailto:timg@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:34 AM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] The Fred Smith VECTOR conference!
>
>
> Bob,
>
> I think it is you that needs to read the rules. You have been antagonistic
> regarding the acceptable and approved sales postings that have been made.
> Fred is very low key in mentioning his products and has helped MANY list
> members on topics that have nothing to do with the software he offers. He
> also supports this group with special discounts that no other software
> vendor seems interested in providing.
>
> If you have a problem with the group you have a choice. Leave. I
> personally
> am tired of your attitude and if it continues I will help you out
> the door.
> No threat, just a statement of fact.
>
> I have included Bill's message that outlines the lists intent and rules.
> They are on a link at the top of the FAQ. If you can explain to
> me how Fred
> is violating these "official" rules in a private e-mail I would
> like ot hear
> it.
>
> Tim
> [Denver, CO]
>
>
> The following is from a posting Bill (the list mom) made
> regarding the list
> and acceptable postings.
> Updated on 4/19/2001
>
>
> From: wanliker@... [mailto:wanliker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:11 AM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] The Purpose of this List from
> bill, List Mom
>
> The purpose of this list is very simple:
>
> Description:
>
> "This list is for discussion of CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO. This list is
> aimed at the
> construction and use of this equipment in a Home Shop Machinist
> environment.
> It is not moderated, but I would hope that the discussion will consist of
> Links, sources, progress reports, and things of this nature, on the above
> subjects. It not aimed at the commercial professional systems, and there
> users. This list is a direct result of the discussions on the
> above subject
> at NAMES, 1999."
>
> It has helped a lot of list members in building there own systems
> for there
> shop, and that has been good.
> It has allowed venders to mention there equipment, that is for sale, all
> business conducted off list, (this was voted on by list members and
> approved)
> no full page catalogs.
> It has allowed individuals to offer there surplus parts to other members
> It has allowed members to ask questions about equipment,
> software, etc., and
> that is good.
> It has rambled off topic many times, but it comes back to where it is
> supposed to be discussing the subjects of the list name.
> But mainly it has been a source of information and learning for
> most of us.
> And this was the purpose of the list from the beginning, before this list
> was
> started it was hard to find information. We have engineers of
> various kinds
> helping us, we have experienced people helping us, and we have beginners
> asking the question that many of us need answered, that is good.
>
> There are few rules:
>
> NO FLAMING, any attacks on an individual will be dealt with a heavy hand,
> you
> can attack an idea if you like, but not the person, no exceptions.
>
> LISTING ITEMS FOR SALE IS ALLOWED, however no catalogs, and keep it
> restricted to items that again are under the subjects covered by the list
> name.
>
> NEW ONE:
> NO ATTEMPTING AT BREAKING COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE. We simply don't need the
> problems that this can cause.
>
> If you get email or a list posting on any of the above rules, STOP RIGHT
> NOW,
> if you care to argue about it contact me or TIM off list.
>
> I am not trying to be a HEAVY at all on this list, but I, as well
> as many of
> you have seen good lists destroyed by catfights, and I believe
> this list is
> too valuable to allow that to happen.
> When I read the mail sent to me off list, both complimentary and
> complaining
> I see mostly concurrence with the above ideas.
> In reading the postings since the inception of this list, I am
> truly amazed
> with the quality and quantity of postings that have truly helped
> me and many
> others on there quest to have a shop full of the latest on a low
> budget, and
> this has happened with many. I would like to see more postings
> with success
> stories, with a short list of equipment used, cost, and how it works.
> I doubt that most that are the Home Shop Machinists/Hobbyists are
> concerned
> with speed as much as the fact they can make parts.
> Feel Free to disagree with my ideas, respect me, as I respect you.
> After you have been here a while it is soon apparent how much
> talent we have
> and how freely it is shared. Also it is apparent when there is only
> commercial discussions, how many people sign on, and then leave very soon.
> Enough of my ramblings,
> bill
> List Mom/owner
>
> Original list purpose and practices message
>
> From: wanliker@... [mailto:wanliker@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:43 PM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@egroups.com
> Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] words from bill about our list. A BIT
> OF HISTORY
>
> This list was started two years ago after visiting NAMES, and
> setting in on
> the seminar they had on CNC, under the direction of R. W. Friestad from
> Cardinal Engineering. Due to my hearing I missed about half of what was
> said, and got the idea of setting up a list for our interests,
> and put out a
> paper for people to sign. I got 12 signatures that day and set
> up the list
> after I got home. We now have over 700 members.
> My idea was for a list that would confine itself to the list title items.
> And we have pretty much done so, and the list has taken off beyond all
> expectations. We have had a couple of controversies, but the
> list has been
> really serious in its demeanor. Unfortunately we have had to ban
> two people,
> one that joined the list expressly for the purpose of posting
> Spam that had
> nothing to do with the list, he was also dropped by his provider.
> The other
> one, wanted to get in flame wars, and after asked to desist, he
> then flamed
> me. Sorry guy you are gone, and you have missed a lot.
> This list has been unlike some of the others that I belong to, as
> we are all
> after information and assistance, be it software, hardware, or
> just answers,
> and the list has always come thru to the best of my knowledge.
> I started one controversy when I chastised a list member, that posted an
> advertisement to the list. List members rapidly converted my attitude.
> They
> asked me to change that attitude and let people list items that
> they had for
> sale or trade, and a question to the list brought overwhelming support and
> that has been acceptable since. I still insist that business be conducted
> off the list, and think that is fair to all.
> The one big NO-No is flaming somebody, the other is introducing
> politics. I
> recently ignored the comments on guns, until politics was introduced into
> the
> discussion, then I had to step in and say that is enough.
> Looking back to times before this list, it was quite unrewarding trying to
> find information on a do-it-yourself project in CNC, a few magazine
> articles,
> and if you were lucky some URL's. Now with the list we have professional
> Programmers helping us, professional and amateur Machinists helping us,
> Electrical and Mechanical Engineers helping us, where else can we
> go for so
> much fantastic help in our quest for knowledge. And all freely
> given to the
> list for all of us to use.
> I ask all of you to understand how this list is different from so many of
> the
> others we have all joined and then dropped in frustration due to the egos
> involved.
> There are so many names that could be mentioned and thanked for there
> endless
> efforts to help, that this letter could go on and on, they know who they
> are,
> and so do most of the rest of us. The new people to the list will surely
> learn who they are. I am not going to mention any of the names for fear
> that
> with my memory that I would forget too many of them, but these guys all
> deserve a round of applause from the rest of us. They are the enablers of
> our quest for a home built CNC.
> I have not made any hard and fast rules for the most part, rather
> we address
> concerns when they come up, and everybody is welcome to e-mail me directly
> if
> you see a problem shaping up. A set of hard and fast rules would inhibit
> the
> list in its growth, in my opinion.
> All that said, Flames, Politics, Guns are out, listing items for sale is
> allowed, sales correspondence to take place off list.
> There are other lists for that stuff, this list is for
> CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO, and
> hopefully it will live on a long time, and continue to help all of us.
> thanks for listening to my ramblings,
> bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> >Hi group,
> > This thread was closed! But of course Fred had to get in
> >the last word. I have a real problem with Mr.Smith hawking his
> >product here. Rules don't seem to apply to him. What did he do give
> >the moderators free copies of VECTOR? FREE hats? Someone needs to
> >read the rules! It might be the one who wrote them!
> >
> > Bob
> >
>
> >
> >Addresses:
> >FAQ: http://www.ktmarketing.com/faq.html
> >FILES: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO/files/
>
>
>
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