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RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: welding machine as a power supply

Posted by Andy Wander
on 2004-03-23 12:21:59 UTC
You mean "at a given load (in current)", NOT "(in watts")

Andy Wander
Verrex Corporation


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From: caudlet [mailto:info@...]
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Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: welding machine as a power supply

>
> Right. Now figuring that the current is ten times on the
secondary side what
> it'd be on the primary side for the same effect. The formula is
> P=I<squared>R, so for putting the resistor on the secondary side
it'll have
> to handle ten times the current, or 100 times the power
dissipation...
>
> This sort of thing when considering transmission line losses, is
exactly why
> transformers are used to step the voltage way up in the first
place.
> Currents go down proportionally to the turns ratio, and power
losses go down
> proportionally to the square of the turns ratio.

Roy: Draw it out on paper. Use any turns ratio, primary voltage
and max current number you want. Calculate the resisitor values you
would need on either side of the transformer given the turns ratio.
Apply any of the watts formulas (E*I, E^2/R, I^2*R) you will come
out with the same answer.

If what you are saying is true you can generate more heat from a
load on one side of a transformer than the other given a fixed
current ratio....more power out than in.

This has nothing to do with transmission line theory. In that case
you are starting with a fixed resistance per foot. At a given load
(in Watts)

Close, but don't you mean "at a given load (in current)", NOT "(in watts)".?
The voltage drop across the series resistance will equal I * R. The only way
the voltage drop across a fixed resistance will be constant is if the
current is constant. For constant watts as voltage goes up, current goes
down. (Power equals volts * Amps-assuming power factor of 1, of course).
That's where the power savings comes from.

the voltage drop across the series resistance will remain
the same regardless of the voltage. So at 120V the voltage drop
across twenty miles of line might be 50V. At 10,000 volts the same
load (in watts) still has 50V which is a much smaller percentage of
the total.

This probably needs to be moved to DIY-CNC as it is quickly
progressing to being OT on this group.



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