Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again
Posted by
R Rogers
on 2005-01-27 18:43:23 UTC
davidhooau <davidh@...> wrote:
I think Andy's correct here.
Big electros are normally rated at -10/+180% of nominal value (this
does vary across manufacturers). If you put 2 caps in series where one
has a much higher value than the other, then model each cap as ESR in
series with capacitive reactance, you'll end up with a vast difference
in voltage across each cap when charging current is supplied. As each
cap cannot exceed its rated voltage, you'll end up only safely being
able to use about 150% of the individual voltage rating as the total
supply voltage, not the 200% previously mentioned.
The R strings only work where the R value is low compared with the
reactances, ie. where DC is being discussed. When 100/120Hz currents
are being discussed it is no longer viable, and the charging currents
we're discussing are quite large.
Putting caps in parallel to reduce effective ESR and increase
capacitance and ripple current rating is a standard technique. Putting
them in series increases ESR, decreases capacitance and leaves ripple
current rating unchanged. It's not often done.
Also, could I make a request on behalf of the more pedantic of us?
There is no such term as amperage; the correct term is current.
/// Andre Marie Ampere might argue this point. :-) Sitting on the sidelines of this power supply debate, the pedantic group looks rather small..kidding
Ron
My $0.02, adjusted for inflation.
davidh
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I think Andy's correct here.
Big electros are normally rated at -10/+180% of nominal value (this
does vary across manufacturers). If you put 2 caps in series where one
has a much higher value than the other, then model each cap as ESR in
series with capacitive reactance, you'll end up with a vast difference
in voltage across each cap when charging current is supplied. As each
cap cannot exceed its rated voltage, you'll end up only safely being
able to use about 150% of the individual voltage rating as the total
supply voltage, not the 200% previously mentioned.
The R strings only work where the R value is low compared with the
reactances, ie. where DC is being discussed. When 100/120Hz currents
are being discussed it is no longer viable, and the charging currents
we're discussing are quite large.
Putting caps in parallel to reduce effective ESR and increase
capacitance and ripple current rating is a standard technique. Putting
them in series increases ESR, decreases capacitance and leaves ripple
current rating unchanged. It's not often done.
Also, could I make a request on behalf of the more pedantic of us?
There is no such term as amperage; the correct term is current.
/// Andre Marie Ampere might argue this point. :-) Sitting on the sidelines of this power supply debate, the pedantic group looks rather small..kidding
Ron
My $0.02, adjusted for inflation.
davidh
> awander@v... writes:series-connecting the
>
> And the only way you can double the voltage rating by
> caps is if you can be sure they are EXACTLY IDENTICAL to eachother. This is
> very unlikely, and it means that the voltage will never be splitequally
> across them.resistors"
>
>
> Yes, and this is why one puts identical "voltage distributing
> across EACH electrolytic cap. wired in series. Those R's then help"even out"
> the voltage-split. Look it up!Addresses:
>
>
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rllalonde2000
2005-01-26 17:40:01 UTC
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2005-01-26 17:43:43 UTC
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rllalonde2000
2005-01-26 17:47:41 UTC
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2005-01-26 18:02:20 UTC
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Andy Wander
2005-01-26 19:40:40 UTC
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2005-01-26 22:15:45 UTC
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2005-01-26 22:18:55 UTC
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2005-01-26 22:20:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again
JanRwl@A...
2005-01-26 22:33:37 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Capacitor size? Me again
davidhooau
2005-01-27 15:37:58 UTC
Re: Capacitor size? Me again
R Rogers
2005-01-27 18:43:23 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again
turbulatordude
2005-01-27 19:04:26 UTC
Re: Capacitor size? Amperage or Current ?
turbulatordude
2005-01-27 19:07:39 UTC
Re: Capacitor size? Amperage or Current ?
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-01-27 20:32:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again
JanRwl@A...
2005-01-27 23:04:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again
John Craddock
2005-01-27 23:22:59 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again
John Craddock
2005-01-27 23:25:56 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Capacitor size? Me again