Re: Newbie - Help & Clarifications
Posted by
Fred Smith
on 2005-08-25 16:06:13 UTC
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "David A. Frantz"
<spinwizard@f...> wrote:
the spindle to be used in setup mode. There are also the "toolroom"
lathes and mills, which are not fully enclosed, and are still
considered safe.
machine tools that were unusable.
Nope.
have deep pockets, within the importing country.
European machine tools, which were another story.
Fred Smith - IMService
http://www.cadcamcadcam.com/hobby
<spinwizard@f...> wrote:
> Fred Smith wrote:that
> >In the not so distant past, many machining centers and turning
> >centers were shipped fully enclosed, and with door interlocks
> >prevented access to tool, part, and/or fixtures. There waslittle
> >if any provision for view ports into the enclosed machineworkspace.
> >Yes, many do, but now the controllers have a setup mode which allows
> >
>
> As far as I know they still come this way.
the spindle to be used in setup mode. There are also the "toolroom"
lathes and mills, which are not fully enclosed, and are still
considered safe.
> >That is they could only be used with preset tools as there was notools.
> >method provided for a setup person to use simple tool touch
> >techniques to set tool length and work offsets. No accomodations
> >were provided to use edge finders for example, to set part zeros.
> >
> >
> That is an issue and accomodations can be made for zeroing out
> In any event those tools are enclosed for a number off reasons.Mostly CYA related to lawyer, insurance and darwinism costs.
> >Few production or tool shops left the interlocks in place as itwas
> >impossible to use the machines for any but strictly dedicatedIt is not an excuse. There was a whole generation of American
> >production jobs.
> >
> >
> That is the excuse that I hear from a number of people.
machine tools that were unusable.
>Usually theand
> same people that have war stories about getting injured on the job.
>
> >These machines were a combinaiton of paranoid safety reactions
> >lousy/inadequate controller design. The legal environment leftfew
> >options available to US machine builders. This was a major causeof
> >the failure of the US machine tool industry between 1980 and 1995.believe
> >
> >
> Fred; I find your post in these forums interesting to read but I
> you went of the deep end here. The safety devices where put inplace
> due to real accidents that often maimed the person beinginjured.
Nope.
> All importers have to conform to the same safety regulations asthe
> domestic manufactures.Absolutely not, they have to conform only to the extent that they
have deep pockets, within the importing country.
>In any event this makes no sense due to thecome
> very stringent regulations in europe. Often European machines
> in to the country with far more tought put into safety than thedomestic
> brands of that era.Yes and they were pricey as well. Unless you are thinking of East
European machine tools, which were another story.
Fred Smith - IMService
http://www.cadcamcadcam.com/hobby
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