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Re: ECM Revisited

on 2005-08-30 07:57:54 UTC
Very exciting post.

I have been watching the new book by Ben Flemming. his first book,
the Raham metal disnetegrinter that most of us have seen on e-bay has
been followed up by his new book, http://homebuiltedm.tripod.com/
(also available from Lindsay books and others)

The problems with my attemps at EDM (Langolis) have been the holes
that are shallow that go fast and deep holes that take forever.

ECM looks like an interesting option.

It also looks like, as you said, electroplating in reverse. That make
me think that you would probably have most of the set-up for
electroplating.

Thanks for the update and I'm sure there are a few of us who are very
interested.



Dave



--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "Graham Stabler" <eexgs@n...>
wrote:
> Some may remember a little experiment I did with Electro Chemical
> Machining a year or two ago:
>
> http://www.indoor.flyer.co.uk/ecm.htm
>
> The idea is you take a DC power supply some salt water and an
> electrode and you make holes or dies, much like EDM.
>
> Recently in the department they have been looking at machining a
> motor casing in aluminium. This requires 240mm long holes at 5mm
> diameter. These are pretty long holes. We have a sinker EDM but
> the the travel is not nearly enough. I suggested a homebrew ECM
> setup, well they were unconvinced to say the least so I had a go in
> my lunch breaks.
>
> Firstly you can do some clever tricks with ECM because of the way it
> works. If you want to make long holes you can either use a long
> metal tube as an electrode with insulated sides and control the
> height using EDM type anti-short circuit methods (read complex). Or
> better use a glass tube with a wire inside. The glass tube is the
> insulator and also carries the salt water. You can pretty much let
> the glass tube sit against the workpiece and just let the electrode
> wire stop just short of the end of the tube. Add a simple gravity
> feed and you have a hole driller.
>
> This is what I did. First thing I learnt is that it would be better
> to have a metal tube within the glass tube, it would put the
> electrode closer to the edges of the glass tube and this should mean
> that the progress of the glass tube through the material is speeded
> up as usually the point where the glass tube hits the side of the
> hole being machined is the point that machines the slowest as it is
> furthest away from the electrode. This would also mean you could
> pass the fluid down the metal tube and use the glass tube as a
> sleeve. The second thing I learnt is that as the tube enters the
> aluminium the tiny pump I am using really starts to struggle as it
> pushes the fluid up the tiny gap.
>
> My solution has been a new electrode design, I started with a EDM
> sinker electrode, this is a brass tube but it has three smaller
> brass tubes running up it, in my case I chose it as is is nice and
> stiff and also straight. I then soldered a small copper washer to
> the end of the tube ( actually I soldered a bit of sheet to it and
> turned it in the lathe afterwards). This washer is larger than the
> tube and defines the size of the hole, well nearly. To stop the
> washer shorting with the workpiece a small plastic part was made,
> this is basically just a little tube that extends past the washer to
> prevent it bottoming out and also prevents shorts with the side
> walls. It glues securely to the tube. The sides of the tube are
> then laquered to prevent any ECM action on the sides of the hole as
> it is cut.
>
> The nice thing about this electrode design is that the insulating
> tube can be very thin so that it does not impede the machining speed
> too much, whats more because of the washer style electrode being
> wider than the tube the flow is restricted over a much shorter
> distance, this means that my windsreen washer pump can actually keep
> working.
>
> The rig at the moment is just a basic slide, the weight of the
> carriage provides the gravity feed. The power supply is operating
> from 20-60v upto about 5 amps. Everything gets a bit warm and this
> caused problems when the plastic insulator came unglued, I have just
> reglued it (with decent epoxy) and will try again tommorow. I had
> probably made about 3mm progress in 5 min, not light speed perhaps
> but pleasing.
>
> A further idea I had is to return to glass tube and creat a slight
> bell mouth in order to reduce flow restriction and also have a short
> length of tube as the electrode inside the tube.
>
> Sorry for the long and random post but this is exciting to me, as
> you can ECM hardened materials as well as aluminium it is pretty
> handy and very easy to do in theory. I suspect with a few brains
> working on it something very capable could be knocked up for pennies.
>
> Graham

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