Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Swiss Machines with live tooling?

Hi, having worked some of these "Swiss" machines, one of the reasons you do
not see many is when a new machine replaced the old one for many years the
mfg gave
generous trade ins, the rebuilt machines sold to overseas
customers....second my friend has 2 bar feed swiss with automatic chip and
part cleaners. once set up they run for weeks slowly and steadily making
parts as long as some one keeps the bar feeder full of stock. one ran for 5
years making brass nuts for lamps non stop, even when the shop was closed
those 2 machines were loaded and running making parts 24/7. a good swiss
machine is rugged where it needs to be, slow and delibrate but can make high
tolerance parts without beating the tooling to death. cul brian f.

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From: "ballendo" <ballendo@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:01 PM
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Swiss Machines with live tooling?


> Roger,
>
> Yes, LOTS of these machines have been made--and are still being made.
>
> A few mfrs: Citizen, Star, Tsugami, Tornos, KSI, Hanwha, Maier,
> Gildemeister,Traub, Nomura, Hardinge.
>
> Keep in mind that the term "swiss" lathe, or swiss CNC is not going to
> limit your results as much as will be useful when looking for something
> cheap/worthwhile to retrofit. Because as I mentioned, "swiss" only
> means the head s "sliding", so there are gonna be a lot of machines
> that fit the term "swiss" which won't be good candidates for your
> intended use.
>
> You're looking for the smaller and older patch pin panel types, IMO.
> These were/are a PITA to keep running due mostly to the control issues.
> But "the iron" is good. (Do keep in mind that with all the axes, this
> is NOT a beginner level CNC retrofit... Beginners certainly can do it,
> but it's not gonna be a simple as a 3 axis mill!)
>
> I've never converted one. But I've seen them laying about enough over
> the years to make the suggestion of looking for one...
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ballendo
>
> P.S. Graham, Many of these machines are not very big, being intended
> for use in making small parts... (Still may be too big/heavy for an
> attic!) But wanted to say that this isn't necessarily a CNC bridgport
> size item.(Though swiss machines are made in all sizes.) The ones I
> have in mind can be considered "desktop", but it needs to be a STRONG
> desktop, as these can be heavy for their size!
>
> >In CCED, "vrsculptor" <vrsculptor@...> wrote:
> >Were there many of these machines made? I've never seen one although
> >I've heard the term. Can anyone suggest a brand or model to search on?
> >I'm doing trains and something with live tooling and a couple of inch
> >swing would be real useful.
> >
> >Has anyone here converted one?
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