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Re: found a problem... Supertech mill

Posted by Lurch
on 2007-08-26 07:33:41 UTC
The file was created entirely within SuperCAM itself.

And the files creatred within AutoCAD, the failure pattern is not
consistent.

In either case, that doesn't explain why, when stepping x from 3 to -
3 during a cut, halfway through the cut it will lift the spindle, re-
zero an axis, lower the spindle, and keep going...and run the tool
into the tabletop, or a hold-down clamp, or whatever.

Whatever program was used to create the source file, there is NO set
of circumstances under which I can see it stopping to re-zero an axis
halfway through a cut **without** any input from the operator.

Since it has happened on a couple different computers, it has to be
either the software or the controller itself, is my thinking.

And repeated re-runs with no tool in the spindle, I am unable to
consistently replicate the failure. But I'll bet a dollar next time
there's a tool and a workpiece, it will do it again.

It comes and goes at will, and has existed across multiple computers
in multiple physical environments.

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "R Wink" <rwwink@...> wrote:
>
> If you're using AutoCAD, download and run the "LISP" routing called
flatten
> (HYPERLINK
> "http://www.markcad.com/download/Flatten.lsp"www.markcad.com/downloa
d/Flatte
> n.lsp or several other places on the web-search Google
for "flatten.lsp").
> ACAD sometimes does not draw on a single plane and you might have
one of the
> endpoints of the lines of the "box" you drew somewhere other than
on the
> plane of the drawing.
>
> Running that through a drawing converter that can utilize 3D
points, it may
> be picking the point up and outputting a 3 dimensional coordinate.
>
> R. Wink
>
> _____
>
> From: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lurch
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:41 AM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: found a problem... Supertech mill
>
>
>
> No, no metric/imperial conversion or anything like that. It's
> milling a square pocket laid out by drawing the 4 border lines
> manually then using the FILL command.
>
> I grabbed the same file and ran it in the demo version of SuperCAM
Xp
> and it didn't re-zero any axis halfway through a move...which leads
> me to think very strongly the issue is either in the version of
> SuperCAM I have, or in the controller itself. And it's been doing
> this from day one.
>
> Dennis DID offer me the newest version of SuperCAM for DOS for
> another $95.
>
> Lurch
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com"CAD_CAM_EDM_-DRO@...,
> "Tony Smith" <ajsmith@>
> wrote:
> >
> > You'd think it would work...
> >
> > It's not trying to convert metric to imperial is it? Metric CAD
> with
> > Imperial screws on the mill? The small number is from some sort
of
> rounding
> > error?
> >
> > A bit wierd that it doesn't understand it's own file. You could
> change all
> > of the numbers to scientific notation, eg
> >
> > line -3,0.15,3,0.-15
> > line 3,0.1,-3,0.1
> > becomes
> > line -3.0e-000,1.-5e-001,3.-0e-000,1.-5e-001
> > line 3.0e-001,1.0e--001,-3.0e--001,1.0e--001
> >
> > In theory, a program that understands scientific notation should
> treat the
> > two chunks as the same.
> >
> > If that works, then it's probably the tiny number causing grief.
> That's a
> > bit hard to fix. You could load it into Excel and use the ROUND()
> function,
> > it specifies how many digits after the decimal, so =ROUND(1.259e-
> 006,4)
> > returns 0 (actually =ROUND(0.00000126,-4)). =ROUND(0.00000126,-6)
> gives you
> > 0.000001
> >
> > Still a pain.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > > What vexes me, is that it was the SuperCAM software that
> > > generated this CAM file...and at Dennis Bohlke's suggestion
> > > it is running under DOS 6.21 with no other files on the hard
> > > drive...maybe the scientific notation ISN'T the reason it
> > > spontaneously aborts the cut, and etc.
> > >
> > > --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com"CAD_CAM_EDM_-DRO@...,
> "Tony Smith" <ajsmith@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Excel can clean that up for you. Save it with an extension of
> CSV
> > > (comma
> > > > separated values), and open with Excel.
> > > >
> > > > It'll pick up the 1.259e-006 as a number, but set its format
to
> > > scientific.
> > > > It'll still look the same, but when you click on it you'll
see
> it's
> > > really
> > > > stored as 0.00000126. Highlight the columns, and do
> > > 'Format, Cells,
> > > > General'. This will clear the scientific formatting.
> > > >
> > > > If the column isn't wide enough to fit the number in, Excel
will
> > > display it
> > > > in sci notation, '1E-06' or even just '0' if the column is
> really
> > > skinny.
> > > > Just make it wider, Excel handles 10 decimal places like
this,
> or
> > > you can
> > > > fiddle with the formatting to get 30 decimals places. Is your
> mill
> > > that
> > > > accurate? :)
> > > >
> > > > Click 'Save', hit 'Yes' if it complains about saving in a
> different
> > > format
> > > > (csv / xls), and you're done. Now if you look at the file,
> it'll
> > > have
> > > > 'fixed' the numbers.
> > > >
> > > > Tip, when you click 'Format, Column, Width', the number it
asks
> you
> > > for is
> > > > for how many characters do you want to display. '0.00000126'
> has
> > > 10, so
> > > > entering that will set the column to the precise size.
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I ran into a similar problem with some engraving code
> > > (which has 5
> > > > > decimal place numbers) which was then run through a java
> program
> > > > > that flips it around. The java program insisted on
> > > rewriting it in
> > > > > exponential notation.
> > > > > EMC2 wouldn't run the program, so I just did a global
change.
> > > > > It was only one letter that had a problem, so there were
> > > only about
> > > > > 5 instances.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/25/07, Stephen Wille Padnos <spadnos@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lurch wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >still fighting with my supertech mill. the .CAM file it
> > > > > creates, has
> > > > > > >some odd code in it...I understand every line of the file
> > > > > except one.
> > > > > > >Here's an excerpt:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >line -3,0.15,3,0.-15
> > > > > > >line 3,0.1,-3,0.1
> > > > > > >line -3,0.05,3,0.-05
> > > > > > >line 3,1.259e-006,--3,1.259e--006
> > > > > > >line -3,-0.05,3,--0.05
> > > > > > >line 3,-0.1,-3,-0.-1
> > > > > > >line -3,-0.15,3,--0.15
> > > > > > >line 3,-0.2,-3,-0.-2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >when it gets to the line with the "e-006" part, it
indexes
> the
> > > > > > >spindkle to the retract height, resets the x-axis to
> > > > > whatever value
> > > > > > >it would have been at the end of that cut, and carries
> > > > > on...with the
> > > > > > >x-axis now out of calibration by whatever amount is the
> > > difference
> > > > > > >between where it was at when it happened and where it
> > > > > would have been
> > > > > > >at the end of the cut.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I don't even know what "e-006" IS...but at least now I
know
> > > what's
> > > > > > >happening. I'm going to manually edit the file to remove
> those
> > > > > > >glitches and do a 'dry run' with no tool and see whre it
> > > finishes
> > > > > > >up...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's printing out very small nubers as exponential. 1e-06
> > > > > is 10 ^ -6,
> > > > > > or 0.000001. 1.259e-06 is 0.000001259 Why it's doing that,
> > > > > I have no
> > > > > > idea :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Lurch
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > - Steve
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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Discussion Thread

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