Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Posted by
Henrik Olsson
on 2008-02-17 03:10:09 UTC
Hi Jon,
AFAIK the UHU is a "50% PWM at 0 speed" drive and it does not rely on
software for current sensing/limiting. BUT it does not sense the braking or
recirculating current....bummer....
I know about EMC2, I have the LiveCD and I've glanced thru the manual. I've
even booted it up once... I know you don't like "steps" but I'd much prefer
to use Mach3 since that is what I've come to know.
Thanks!
/Henrik.
really was was that the Rutex uses sign-magnitude modulation,
like I do, but software sensing of the overcurrent, and it was
too slow to respond, and only sensed current sourced by the
drive, not noticing when the braking current was going high.
A common feature of sign-magnitude drives is they recirculate
motor current internally, not through the power supply, so that
the motor is effectively shorted during off-time. You need to
sense braking current and shut off the transistors if braking
current becomes excessive.
of derating will fix it.
system without the use of steps. The only pulses are encoder
counts and the drive PWM to the servo amps.
Jon
AFAIK the UHU is a "50% PWM at 0 speed" drive and it does not rely on
software for current sensing/limiting. BUT it does not sense the braking or
recirculating current....bummer....
I know about EMC2, I have the LiveCD and I've glanced thru the manual. I've
even booted it up once... I know you don't like "steps" but I'd much prefer
to use Mach3 since that is what I've come to know.
Thanks!
/Henrik.
>Henrik Olsson wrote:I don't think that's the scenario. I think what the problem
> That Rutex document I referenced claims that if the motor is deccelerated
> faster than it was accelerated (running into a hard stop for example)
> the returned current (sensed or not) will go thru the diodes inside the
> transistors and possibly destroy them since there's no way to actually
> turn that current OFF. (?)
>
really was was that the Rutex uses sign-magnitude modulation,
like I do, but software sensing of the overcurrent, and it was
too slow to respond, and only sensed current sourced by the
drive, not noticing when the braking current was going high.
A common feature of sign-magnitude drives is they recirculate
motor current internally, not through the power supply, so that
the motor is effectively shorted during off-time. You need to
sense braking current and shut off the transistors if braking
current becomes excessive.
> The new and improved UHU is said to use IRFP264N, rated 250V and 44A. TheIf the logic doesn't handle overcurrent properly, then no amount
> drive, I believe, will be rated at 180V, 25A which seems like a pretty
> good safety margin (as far as the transistors go). Yet it can't seem to
> drive anything over 100V, 10A without crippling the motors performance -
> that is what I don't get....
>
of derating will fix it.
> Jon,Have you looked at EMC2? It fully supports my drive & control
> Yes I know about your system and it does seem like a good one. I'd need
> around 120V DC-bus depending a bit on the max dutycyle of the PWM. But I
> want/need Step & Direction.
system without the use of steps. The only pulses are encoder
counts and the drive PWM to the servo amps.
Jon
Discussion Thread
vrsculptor
2008-02-13 19:49:17 UTC
Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Jon Elson
2008-02-14 09:26:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Jon Elson
2008-02-14 09:40:34 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Henrik Olsson
2008-02-14 11:24:48 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Bob Butcher
2008-02-14 14:48:21 UTC
Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Jon Elson
2008-02-14 20:48:15 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Henrik Olsson
2008-02-14 22:36:21 UTC
[CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Jon Elson
2008-02-15 09:17:58 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Henrik Olsson
2008-02-17 03:10:09 UTC
Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Jon Elson
2008-02-17 10:44:33 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Henrik Olsson
2008-02-17 11:27:23 UTC
Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature
Jon Elson
2008-02-17 14:43:09 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re:Servo braking resistor in series with motor armature