RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Dolphin December Offers
Posted by
Michael Milligan
on 2010-12-13 04:17:15 UTC
Tim
Thanks for the comments on our product.
Just thought I would jump in with an update on your '8 - 9
years', we at Dolphin have been an independant
CADCAM Developer/Supplier since 17th Jan 1989. Prior to this we were part of
a larger Engineering Group. Myself, Andre
and John have worked together as a team since 1981. I am the junior in the
team and started my life in Mechanical CADCAM
in 1977 after a few years playing around with Electronic CADCAM (PCB Design
etc). John was involved in the installation and
running of the (his claim) 1st CNC Machine Tool in the UK at Lawrence Scott
of Norwich (if it was'nt the first it was nearly
the first but anyone who knows john will agree he is not prone to
exaggeration) and Andre cut his teeth in the Aluminium
Die making trade when the world centre was based in Cheltenham (1970's). Any
mistakes worth making we have made
them and hopefully learned something from each.
We offer good working tools. We don't claim they are the
best, we say they are good value for money and we are
always available to answer any questions from our customers no matter how
large or small they happen to be. That has been
our basic Business Model in all this time and it has served us and our
customers well.
We may be old and grey but we ain't going away.
Michael
Dolphin CAD CAM Systems Ltd
From: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timgoldstein
Sent: 11 December 2010 20:12
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Dolphin December Offers
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com> , Ron Thompson <barebooger@...>
wrote:
I know this is going to come off like I am the biggest jerk in the world,
but your post is ludicrous.
Dolphin is a complete CAD/CAM package to start with. Additionally, it is a
real industrial product not a cheap hobbyist product. So to compare a low
end unknown CAD only product to a mid line proven CAD/CAM product is about
as sensible as saying a Kia costs less than a Lear Jet. Other than having
wheels, there is about nothing in common. Dolphin has been around giving the
hobbyist great deals on commercial grade software for at least 8 - 9 years
that I know of and maybe longer. So they are proven and have a solid track
record. I have never even heard of Punchcad before your post. Looking at
their other sites, they are into games and cheap home software. Makes you
wonder how much they actually know about design software and machining?
I have been involved with CNC starting as a hobbyist over 11 or so years ago
and professionally now for almost 6 years. During that time I have gone from
using low cost hobby grade software to using top of the line commercial
stuff. I have no clue how much I have spent on CAD and CAM software over the
years, do know that the current programs I use cost me over $20,000.00.
Believe me, there is a difference and for the most part you get what you pay
for. This is not to say that the low and no cost stuff will not get some
work done, but I can assure you that the high end stuff is much faster to
work with and allows you to do far more complex projects.
Bottom line is, while I have not used every product out there, I have used a
lot of them at many different price points. For my needs the conclusion was
spending the money for the big name made sense. Price without considering
functionality, ease of use, and support is meaningless. I can always go
shopping at Walmart so I can brag about how little I paid for a POS, but the
real measure is not price, but value. And I can assure you that Dolphin is a
quality company with a good product and is offering the hobbyist a very high
value for their money.
I have no current affiliation with Dolphin. I did buy a license years ago,
never used it, and sold it off. They were gentlemen to me both coming and
going.
Sorry for the rant.
Tim Goldstein
A2Z Corp
A2Z CNC division
3955 S Mariposa St
Englewood CO 80110
720 833-9300
Toll Free 877 754-7465
www.A2ZCorp.us/store
USA made accessories for desktop mills & lathes.
Specialized tools for the jewelry industry.
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Thanks for the comments on our product.
Just thought I would jump in with an update on your '8 - 9
years', we at Dolphin have been an independant
CADCAM Developer/Supplier since 17th Jan 1989. Prior to this we were part of
a larger Engineering Group. Myself, Andre
and John have worked together as a team since 1981. I am the junior in the
team and started my life in Mechanical CADCAM
in 1977 after a few years playing around with Electronic CADCAM (PCB Design
etc). John was involved in the installation and
running of the (his claim) 1st CNC Machine Tool in the UK at Lawrence Scott
of Norwich (if it was'nt the first it was nearly
the first but anyone who knows john will agree he is not prone to
exaggeration) and Andre cut his teeth in the Aluminium
Die making trade when the world centre was based in Cheltenham (1970's). Any
mistakes worth making we have made
them and hopefully learned something from each.
We offer good working tools. We don't claim they are the
best, we say they are good value for money and we are
always available to answer any questions from our customers no matter how
large or small they happen to be. That has been
our basic Business Model in all this time and it has served us and our
customers well.
We may be old and grey but we ain't going away.
Michael
Dolphin CAD CAM Systems Ltd
From: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timgoldstein
Sent: 11 December 2010 20:12
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Dolphin December Offers
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com> , Ron Thompson <barebooger@...>
wrote:
>Ron,
> Way more than this:
> http://www.punchcad.com/p-6-viacad-2d3d.aspx
>
> On sale for $99.99
I know this is going to come off like I am the biggest jerk in the world,
but your post is ludicrous.
Dolphin is a complete CAD/CAM package to start with. Additionally, it is a
real industrial product not a cheap hobbyist product. So to compare a low
end unknown CAD only product to a mid line proven CAD/CAM product is about
as sensible as saying a Kia costs less than a Lear Jet. Other than having
wheels, there is about nothing in common. Dolphin has been around giving the
hobbyist great deals on commercial grade software for at least 8 - 9 years
that I know of and maybe longer. So they are proven and have a solid track
record. I have never even heard of Punchcad before your post. Looking at
their other sites, they are into games and cheap home software. Makes you
wonder how much they actually know about design software and machining?
I have been involved with CNC starting as a hobbyist over 11 or so years ago
and professionally now for almost 6 years. During that time I have gone from
using low cost hobby grade software to using top of the line commercial
stuff. I have no clue how much I have spent on CAD and CAM software over the
years, do know that the current programs I use cost me over $20,000.00.
Believe me, there is a difference and for the most part you get what you pay
for. This is not to say that the low and no cost stuff will not get some
work done, but I can assure you that the high end stuff is much faster to
work with and allows you to do far more complex projects.
Bottom line is, while I have not used every product out there, I have used a
lot of them at many different price points. For my needs the conclusion was
spending the money for the big name made sense. Price without considering
functionality, ease of use, and support is meaningless. I can always go
shopping at Walmart so I can brag about how little I paid for a POS, but the
real measure is not price, but value. And I can assure you that Dolphin is a
quality company with a good product and is offering the hobbyist a very high
value for their money.
I have no current affiliation with Dolphin. I did buy a license years ago,
never used it, and sold it off. They were gentlemen to me both coming and
going.
Sorry for the rant.
Tim Goldstein
A2Z Corp
A2Z CNC division
3955 S Mariposa St
Englewood CO 80110
720 833-9300
Toll Free 877 754-7465
www.A2ZCorp.us/store
USA made accessories for desktop mills & lathes.
Specialized tools for the jewelry industry.
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Discussion Thread
Michael Milligan
2010-12-10 05:41:03 UTC
[CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Dolphin December Offers
Lee Whiteley
2010-12-10 16:14:18 UTC
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Ron Thompson
2010-12-10 18:56:17 UTC
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2010-12-10 22:29:45 UTC
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timgoldstein
2010-12-11 12:12:48 UTC
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2010-12-11 13:57:44 UTC
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Mike Payson
2010-12-11 14:04:31 UTC
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timgoldstein
2010-12-11 21:14:11 UTC
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Mike Payson
2010-12-11 21:45:47 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Dolphin December Offers
Harko Schwartz
2010-12-12 05:02:10 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Dolphin December Offers
timgoldstein
2010-12-12 09:52:09 UTC
Re: CAD/CAM programs (Was: Dolphin December Offers)
timgoldstein
2010-12-12 10:03:34 UTC
Re: Dolphin December Offers
Jack McKie
2010-12-12 10:22:04 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: CAD/CAM programs (Was: Dolphin December Offers)
Michael Milligan
2010-12-13 04:17:15 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Dolphin December Offers