RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
Posted by
Dan Mauch
on 2003-01-14 12:14:24 UTC
I have one of those 600 oz in motors on my 8X36 knee mill. I am using a
2.5/1 ratio timing pulley. I would recommend a 3/1 ratio. I can raise
and lower my knee with a #105 mill vice on it all day long without the
motor getting warm and at good speed. The G320's never fault except when
I run the knee into the stops. (AAAARRRGGGHH I hate it when I do that)
The trick is make sure you have a 3/1 and I also put a lower encoder
count onto that motor so that I would not have a larger count on the Z
axis. I ended up using a 60X037 pulley on the handshaft and a 24XL037
pulley on the motor. These are not that expensive! But I would recommend
a full 3/1 ratio and possibly a 4/1.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: jbordens <jake@...> [mailto:jake@...]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:59 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
Hi folks. I'm retrofitting a G3102 Grizzly Knee Mill, a smaller type
mill somewhere bigger than a drill mill, but smaller than a full
bridgeport.
I just finished my Z-axis, after success with X and Y. I decided to
motorize the knee for various reasons. I'm using Camtronics 600-in-oz
motors and a 2:1 ratio on the pulleys.
The knee is driven by a shaft that is at 90-degrees to a jackscrew.
The shaft is connected to the jackscrew via a set of helical spur gears.
Here are my problems:
(1) the motors aren't powerful enough, apparently, to raise the knee.
They stall and eventually cause my geckos to fault. I'm pretty sure I
have the "limit" set to Max on the geckos.
(2) when lowering the knee, the motor turns and every now again there's
a 'thump' from the mill, as if the knee is not lowering smoothly, but in
little increments.
I guess I have two options:
(a) go to a higher ratio, but 2:1 was the most practical. 3:1 is
possible but expensive, and anything more is really not possible due to
pulley size constraints.
(b) counterweight the knee. I think this is complicated and probably
not a good idea.
In either case I'm not sure it would solve problem #2. I'm currently at
a loss on how to proceed. Any suggestions are greatly apprecaited.
Thanks,
Jake
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2.5/1 ratio timing pulley. I would recommend a 3/1 ratio. I can raise
and lower my knee with a #105 mill vice on it all day long without the
motor getting warm and at good speed. The G320's never fault except when
I run the knee into the stops. (AAAARRRGGGHH I hate it when I do that)
The trick is make sure you have a 3/1 and I also put a lower encoder
count onto that motor so that I would not have a larger count on the Z
axis. I ended up using a 60X037 pulley on the handshaft and a 24XL037
pulley on the motor. These are not that expensive! But I would recommend
a full 3/1 ratio and possibly a 4/1.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: jbordens <jake@...> [mailto:jake@...]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:59 PM
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
Hi folks. I'm retrofitting a G3102 Grizzly Knee Mill, a smaller type
mill somewhere bigger than a drill mill, but smaller than a full
bridgeport.
I just finished my Z-axis, after success with X and Y. I decided to
motorize the knee for various reasons. I'm using Camtronics 600-in-oz
motors and a 2:1 ratio on the pulleys.
The knee is driven by a shaft that is at 90-degrees to a jackscrew.
The shaft is connected to the jackscrew via a set of helical spur gears.
Here are my problems:
(1) the motors aren't powerful enough, apparently, to raise the knee.
They stall and eventually cause my geckos to fault. I'm pretty sure I
have the "limit" set to Max on the geckos.
(2) when lowering the knee, the motor turns and every now again there's
a 'thump' from the mill, as if the knee is not lowering smoothly, but in
little increments.
I guess I have two options:
(a) go to a higher ratio, but 2:1 was the most practical. 3:1 is
possible but expensive, and anything more is really not possible due to
pulley size constraints.
(b) counterweight the knee. I think this is complicated and probably
not a good idea.
In either case I'm not sure it would solve problem #2. I'm currently at
a loss on how to proceed. Any suggestions are greatly apprecaited.
Thanks,
Jake
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sister site to the CCED group, as many of the same members are there,
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Discussion Thread
jbordens <jake@a...
2003-01-13 16:58:46 UTC
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Brian
2003-01-13 18:15:44 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
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2003-01-13 18:19:21 UTC
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2003-01-13 18:22:20 UTC
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2003-01-13 19:10:35 UTC
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2003-01-13 19:47:23 UTC
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2003-01-13 20:23:54 UTC
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2003-01-13 20:35:47 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
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2003-01-13 20:50:47 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
Jon Elson
2003-01-13 23:27:30 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z-Axis Knee Woes
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2003-01-14 00:48:10 UTC
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2003-01-14 03:06:10 UTC
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2003-01-14 04:55:01 UTC
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2003-01-14 10:14:35 UTC
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2003-01-14 12:14:24 UTC
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2003-01-14 17:04:15 UTC
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2003-01-14 18:19:00 UTC
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2003-01-14 19:04:51 UTC
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