Re: Transformer Soft Start
Posted by
caudlet
on 2003-07-03 17:23:16 UTC
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, Bob Simon <bsimon@q...> wrote:
Bob, You are totally right. The amount of inrush current to a
transformer is a factor of the magnetization curve of the core and
the angle (sin) of the voltage wave at turnon. Problems occur
because the inrush voltage at an improper phase angle causes the
magnetic core of the transformer to saturate and draw many times the
normal current. A large inductor like the power transformer shows
peak current when it is switched on at the zero crossing point of the
AC waveform. This is exactly opposite of a resistive or capacitive
load which operates best at zero crossing. If the transformer is
switched on at peak (and there is no residual core magnetization)
then the inrush current is minimal.
I have seen a scheme (EDN I think) where a slave relay circuit is
used to limit inrush current. They put a resistor in series with one
of the AC transformer legs and a NO relay's contacts in parallel.
The small DC supply for the relay coil (derived from the ac line) has
an RC factor that causes it to delay turning on and shorting out the
resistor for a few cycles. While it is more complex than using a
thermistor it has the advantage of being a low loss device and it
will operate without regard to a cool-down cycle required by the
thermistor device.
Delay fuses will work but the stress of magnetic saturation on the
other components can take its toll.
>value of
> >
>
> Here's what's happening;
>
> When a transformer is switched on, a transient current flows. The
> this current over the first half cycle of mains voltage exceeds thenormal
> magnetizing current by a very large factor, and is often sufficientto blow
> the primary fuse or lead to excessive tripping of the input circuituntil normal
> breaker. This current decays exponentially over several cycles
> magnetizing current flows.even with
>
> This phenom is common in machine tool and welding transformers,
> no load on the secondaries. ie; Even though the panel on themachine says
> 50FLA, a 100A circuit breaker feeding the machine trips out whenthe
> cabinet switch on the machine is thrown.What's
>
> Standard breakers and fuses react too fast to the inrush current.
> needed is a slower disconnect to allow the current to settle tonormal levels.
>handle a 3X
> We usually install a high inrush delay circuit breaker that can
> overcurrent for a couple of cycles. No more problem trips. Dualelement
Bob, You are totally right. The amount of inrush current to a
transformer is a factor of the magnetization curve of the core and
the angle (sin) of the voltage wave at turnon. Problems occur
because the inrush voltage at an improper phase angle causes the
magnetic core of the transformer to saturate and draw many times the
normal current. A large inductor like the power transformer shows
peak current when it is switched on at the zero crossing point of the
AC waveform. This is exactly opposite of a resistive or capacitive
load which operates best at zero crossing. If the transformer is
switched on at peak (and there is no residual core magnetization)
then the inrush current is minimal.
I have seen a scheme (EDN I think) where a slave relay circuit is
used to limit inrush current. They put a resistor in series with one
of the AC transformer legs and a NO relay's contacts in parallel.
The small DC supply for the relay coil (derived from the ac line) has
an RC factor that causes it to delay turning on and shorting out the
resistor for a few cycles. While it is more complex than using a
thermistor it has the advantage of being a low loss device and it
will operate without regard to a cool-down cycle required by the
thermistor device.
Delay fuses will work but the stress of magnetic saturation on the
other components can take its toll.
Discussion Thread
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2003-07-03 02:25:45 UTC
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2003-07-03 08:01:56 UTC
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2003-07-03 08:23:13 UTC
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2003-07-03 08:43:24 UTC
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2003-07-03 09:37:19 UTC
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2003-07-03 10:11:03 UTC
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2003-07-03 10:28:14 UTC
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2003-07-03 10:36:48 UTC
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wanliker@a...
2003-07-03 10:57:05 UTC
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Keith Bowers
2003-07-03 11:22:13 UTC
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caudlet
2003-07-03 12:51:15 UTC
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rainnea
2003-07-03 13:30:39 UTC
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Les Newell
2003-07-03 14:03:03 UTC
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Paul
2003-07-03 14:38:13 UTC
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Bob Simon
2003-07-03 14:44:23 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Transformer Soft Start
caudlet
2003-07-03 17:23:16 UTC
Re: Transformer Soft Start
Jon Elson
2003-07-03 21:43:02 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Transformer Soft Start
Jon Elson
2003-07-03 21:52:19 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2003-07-04 03:31:28 UTC
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