Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Uni vs. bipolar was Re: HobbyCNC NEW 3AMP Unipolar Chopper Driver Board!

Nick,
ALWAYS could use a bigger workshop! Go have some fun!

Regards,
Dave Rigotti
HobbyCNC.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Ibbitson" <pulseweld@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Uni vs. bipolar was Re: HobbyCNC NEW 3AMP
Unipolar Chopper Driver Board!


> Thanks Dave,
>
> thats brilliant news mate!, i have 4 x 1.4 amp motors so now i can do a
> small lathe and maybe a grinder as well. Great news!. Now all i need is a
> bigger workshop!
>
> Nick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Rigotti" <drigotti@...>
> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Uni vs. bipolar was Re: HobbyCNC NEW 3AMP
> Unipolar Chopper Driver Board!
>
>
> > Nick,
> > Actually you can run the chip at 1.4A without a problem, providing
you
> > use a cooling fan rated at least 50CFM. I've run the little bugger at
2A
> > with lotsa cooling air for an hour without "smoke". NO I'm not
endorsing
> > such an application. 1.4A should be fine even at 35VDC.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to the tests also that Ballendo suggests. I have
some
> 6
> > wire 3A steppers coming my way, so these will be the "ultimate" the
board
> > will handle. It would be interesting to run the tests at 24VDC, 30VDC
and
> > at 44VDC to see what each board can do at its full potential. Should
> > eliminate alot of "guessing"
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave Rigotti
> > HobbyCNC.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nick Ibbitson" <pulseweld@...>
> > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 12:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Uni vs. bipolar was Re: HobbyCNC NEW 3AMP
> > Unipolar Chopper Driver Board!
> >
> >
> > > Hi Ballendo,
> > >
> > > i will watch with interest as i have a Xylotec drive as well ( not
that
> it
> > > isnt doing a great job with bipolar motors anyway) but its always
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > >
> > > Quick question for Dave Rigotti, i still have the Hobbycnc board all
set
> > up
> > > and now have some 1.4amp unipolar motors, I know you quote 1.25amp
> > > continuous use and up to 1.5amp at start up but odo you think i could
> use
> > > these motors if i put a nice big high volume fan to run over the board
> to
> > > keep it cool in use?.
> > >
> > > Nick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ballendo" <ballendo@...>
> > > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:27 AM
> > > Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Uni vs. bipolar was Re: HobbyCNC NEW 3AMP
> > > Unipolar Chopper Driver Board!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jess,
> > > >
> > > > With unipolar you have an extra wire (or two) from your driver to
> > > > your motor... Higher connector cost... more wires to flex and
break...
> > > >
> > > > Unipolar drives shut down a coil by opening a switch (transistor).
> > > > There is nothing to DRIVE the current out of the coil, so it decays
> > > > relatively slowly. This works okay because as the other posted
> > > > answers have pointed out, we have a center tapped coil, and are only
> > > > using 1/2 of it at any given time. So while 1/2 is "winding" down--
> > > > pun intended<G> we're using other coils. For many uses of steppers,
> > > > by the time we get back to it the current in the coil we shut off
has
> > > > decayed, and is ready to be turned on again.
> > > >
> > > > Bipolar drives are more "pushy". They do not simply turn the coil
> > > > off, but reverse its polarity. To do this they use more transistors,
> > > > (4 per coil, instead of the 2 used in unipolar drives) and since the
> > > > motor voltage is always present(except during current control, but
> > > > that's another subject), the electrons are "marched", rather
> > > > than "walking" at their own pace...
> > > >
> > > > Torque in a motor is a result of copper area, and amperage. For a
> > > > given amps and copper area, the torque will be identical, whether
the
> > > > drive is a unipolar OR a bipolar. BUT...
> > > >
> > > > Because the Bipolar "marches" the electrons through the coils, and
> > > > the unipolar "lets 'em walk"; the bipolar can switch the direction
in
> > > > a given coil faster. However, the unipolar doesn't NEED to switch
> > > > direction in a coil, because in effect it uses a "different" coil...
> > > >
> > > > So we're back to the difference first mentioned above; a couple less
> > > > wires from the motor to the driver. There are cases where walking or
> > > > marching is the better choice, when ALL factors are considered.
> > > >
> > > > Now let's add two more truths:
> > > > The better bipolar drives ARE better than the better unipolar drives
> > > > where high speed torque is concerned. But not by nearly as much as
> > > > some would have you believe, or for the reasons often given.
> > > >
> > > > The second thing is that a bipolar drive allows you to use a given
> > > > unipolar motor(6 or 8 wires) at a lower amperage with the same
TORQUE
> > > > at high speeds, WHEN you are limited by the driver amperage
> > > > capability.
> > > >
> > > > So you can take a 3volt, 4 amp motor and run it with a 2 amp bipolar
> > > > drive by using the whole coil. (Ignoring the center tap that you
HAVE
> > > > TO USE with unipolar) This can let you use bigger motors with
smaller
> > > > drives. The downside is that you won't have the same speed
capability
> > > > because inductance is 4 times as high as the 1/2 coil value.
> > > > Sometimes if you have to use a certain motor and/or a certain drive,
> > > > it can be useful.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps,
> > > >
> > > > Ballendo
> > > >
> > > > P.S. When I get my HobbyCNC uni-chopper board, it's gonna be
> > > > interesting to compare it to my xylotex... using the Same motors,
> > > > same volts, same amps... And THEN optomising motors for each drive
> > > > type and re-running the tests...
> > > >
> > > > (Geckos can't be included in the comparison due to their added
> > > > features which make them more capable for reasons beyond the uni-
vs.
> > > > bi- differences.) But the A3977 vs. the SLA7062M should be a
> > > > fair "race", as long as current and voltage are considered.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, <jess@p...> wrote:
> > > > >Could someone who knows explain -
> > > > >
> > > > >What are the advantages and disadvantages of unipolar and bipolar
> > > > >stepper motors. Or does anyone have a link to where this is
> > > > >explained?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jess Perez
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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