Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2004-12-09 10:05:22 UTC
AbbyKatt wrote:
If you set the current limit to the absolute peak current rating, you
will never
get away with 5 minutes. You might get away with 2 minutes on a motor
that started cold. Normally, peak current should never be delivered to
the motor for more than a second at a time, and totalling no more than
a couple of seconds a minute. A motor temp sensor on the motor housing
of a DC brush motor is WAY too far away from the heat source to be
effective.
That's why higher-end servo amps like Servo Dynamics have thermal
integrators
in them to make these decisions. They integrate current over time, and may
actually use current sense resistors in a thermally insulated block to
attempt
to simulate motor heating.
Jon
>I was thinking of buying some current sense ammeters - the analog meterIt depends on the servo amp and the way you have the current limit set.
>type that use a shunt at the back, for my power supply, but I decided
>not to in the end as they were quite expensive. They are quite cool
>though if you like to watch the meters bob up and down as the system
>works. :)
>
>But I'm wondering if any of this is really necessary - isn't just
>placing a heat E-stop on the motor going to achieve the same effect, if
>not better? For slow overheating (ie too much torque, not enough lube,
>blunt tool) this will work fine and shutdown the system before damage
>occurs. I'm wondering about fast failures tho.. If the servo motor
>stalls, are we going to be able to sense the overheat quickly enough on
>the outside or will the wires in the core go red hot before there's even
>much chance for the heat to get to the outside of the motor?
>
>If a servo stalls, how long before the smoke comes out? 3 seconds? 2
>minutes? 5 minutes?
>
>
If you set the current limit to the absolute peak current rating, you
will never
get away with 5 minutes. You might get away with 2 minutes on a motor
that started cold. Normally, peak current should never be delivered to
the motor for more than a second at a time, and totalling no more than
a couple of seconds a minute. A motor temp sensor on the motor housing
of a DC brush motor is WAY too far away from the heat source to be
effective.
That's why higher-end servo amps like Servo Dynamics have thermal
integrators
in them to make these decisions. They integrate current over time, and may
actually use current sense resistors in a thermally insulated block to
attempt
to simulate motor heating.
Jon
Discussion Thread
Carl Mikkelsen
2004-12-07 06:50:45 UTC
Runaway servo systems and hexapods
Jon Elson
2004-12-07 10:20:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Runaway servo systems and hexapods
Carl Mikkelsen
2004-12-07 11:11:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Runaway servo systems and hexapods
AbbyKatt
2004-12-07 11:47:34 UTC
Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Leslie Watts
2004-12-07 12:19:39 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
AbbyKatt
2004-12-07 12:40:04 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Leslie Watts
2004-12-07 13:20:09 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Jon Elson
2004-12-07 21:03:58 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Runaway servo systems and hexapods
Jon Elson
2004-12-07 21:10:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
wanliker@a...
2004-12-07 21:23:41 UTC
Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Jon Elson
2004-12-08 10:35:50 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Roy J. Tellason
2004-12-08 12:36:39 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
caudlet
2004-12-08 15:23:52 UTC
Re: Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
R Rogers
2004-12-08 16:05:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-12-08 17:08:08 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
R Rogers
2004-12-08 18:12:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Jon Elson
2004-12-08 21:04:10 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
AbbyKatt
2004-12-09 04:46:04 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
R Rogers
2004-12-09 07:13:52 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Jon Elson
2004-12-09 10:05:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
Jon Elson
2004-12-09 10:12:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia?
R Rogers
2004-12-11 18:38:56 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia? servo protection questions
Jon Elson
2004-12-11 22:06:13 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia? servo protection questions
R Rogers
2004-12-12 08:47:21 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia? servo protection questions
AbbyKatt
2004-12-12 08:56:10 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Servo heat-sensors or paranoia? servo protection questions
caudlet
2004-12-13 14:10:41 UTC
Re: Servo heat-sensors or paranoia? servo protection questions