CAD CAM EDM DRO - Yahoo Group Archive

Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Quadrature Divider ?

Posted by Tom Hubin
on 2009-01-06 22:54:53 UTC
Hello Alan,

> . a quadrature divider .. maybe a PIC doing a bunch of counting.
>
> (Here's a question .. would a flip-flop wired as a divide-by-two work
> as a simple divider ? And if so, couldn't a guy cascade three of
> them for a divde-by-eight ?)

> Any thoughts, opinions or circuits gratefully accepted.

Hello Alan,

I considered your question as a challenge to an old digital logic
designer, me.

I would use an LS169 binary up/down counter and an LS83 four bit adder
to input quadrature, divide by eight, and output quadrature.

One encoder signal goes to the counter up/down input and the other
encoder signal goes to the counter clock. The counter 3rd output bit
(Q2) is a divide by eight representation of the counter clock, including
direction.

The three least significant counter output bits (Q0, Q1, Q2) are wired
to one of the inputs of the adder. The other adder input is hard wired
to add 2. The third adder output bit is a representation of the
quadrature phased signal to the counter third output bit.

That takes care of the logic with just two TTL ICs. Now we work on
timing analysis and reliability.

Output signal conditioning needs to be considered. The adder output will
be unstable for a few microseconds just after every input change. So the
adder bit should not be used directly as an encoder output. It needs to
pass through a clocked (same clock as the counter) flip flop. To keep
the two encoder divided outputs in sync you need to pass the counter bit
through a similar flip flop. Then both of these to the outside world via
appropriate single ended or differential drivers. A LS240 is a good
choice if single ended.

The encoder signals coming from in the hardware need to be conditioned
too. Differential or single ended line receivers as appropriate. The
signal that is used to clock the counter must make a clean transition so
input conditioning should include hysteresis. LS240 is a good choice if
single ended.

LS240 is an 8 bit device in a 20 pin package. IIRC there is 6 bit
version of this in a 16 pin package.

If differential drivers and receivers needed I would use AM26LS31 and
AM26LS32 (or maybe it was AM26LS33).

My memory is old and rusty so any of these part numbers could be
incorrect. If you are serious and cannot get data on these chips then I
will dig up the spec sheets for you.

Don't leave any inputs floating. For minimum noise all unused inputs
should be tied high or low.

Tom Hubin
thubin@...

Discussion Thread

alanrothenbush 2009-01-05 17:33:47 UTC Quadrature Divider ? Mariss Freimanis 2009-01-05 23:43:04 UTC Re: Quadrature Divider ? Yahoo 2009-01-06 07:06:07 UTC Re: Quadrature Divider ? Jon Elson 2009-01-06 09:18:07 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? Alan Rothenbush 2009-01-06 09:43:10 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? Alan Rothenbush 2009-01-06 10:00:12 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? Yahoo 2009-01-06 10:54:03 UTC Re: Quadrature Divider ? Alan Rothenbush 2009-01-06 15:24:19 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? Peter Reilley 2009-01-06 20:39:18 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? Tom Hubin 2009-01-06 22:54:53 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Quadrature Divider ? henrikolsson2001 2009-01-07 08:52:51 UTC Re: Quadrature Divider ? Peter Reilley 2009-01-07 11:06:43 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? Drew Rogge 2009-01-07 11:17:54 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Quadrature Divider ? wildhorsesoftware 2009-01-08 17:38:31 UTC Re: Quadrature Divider ? Tom Hubin 2009-01-14 07:21:56 UTC Encoder Dithering Specs Jon Elson 2009-01-14 09:53:20 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Encoder Dithering Specs Roland Jollivet 2009-01-14 15:24:48 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Encoder Dithering Specs Tom Hubin 2009-02-27 14:39:03 UTC WTB small 3 axis CNC for microscopic 3d inspection Jack McKie 2009-02-27 15:10:48 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] WTB small 3 axis CNC for microscopic 3d inspection Jack Mc Kie 2009-02-27 15:43:21 UTC Re: WTB small 3 axis CNC for microscopic 3d inspection