How to help others... And yourself was Re: New poll for CCED

Chris,

Well stated. One issue that you slightly address I'd like to
elaborate upon:

For those who "only" want to see what they want to see, we can ALL
help by CHANGING THE SUBJECT LINE TO REFLECT WHAT IS REALLY IN THE
MESSAGE.

Yahoo does not do an especially good job keeping "threads" intact
anyway, so the possible loss of this should not be much of an issue.
A bigger issue is that some do not want anything to do
with "sherline"(insert ANY topic here instead of sherline) arriving
at their mailbox.

Now I've learned that an otherwise OT(to ME) post may contain VERY
useful info (especially considering the lack of attention to subject
headings already addressed above), SO I at least try to SCAN EVERY
MESSAGE.

"If you want to climb Mt. Everest, there are certain things you HAVE
to do..."- Brooks Johnson. Being a "base camper" is fine, but please
do not insist that others who DO want to wade through messages YOU
find unappealing, MUST "base camp" with you. (by putting undue limits
on what is "pertinent".)

Some of us want the summit, and are willing to do what it takes to
get there!

Ballendo

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., CL <datac@l...> wrote:
> As I have sat back and cooled off a bit, I watch closely to the
pure volume
> of messages produced in the group as of late. If less posting was
wanted, well,
> it looks it worked. Some individuals have left, some have limited
their posting
> and some have even created more newsgroups.
>
> Now that others are starting to reveal their true feelings, I
figure I will too
> make a statement in regards the "poll" and the On "T" and Off "T"
issues.
>
> I was harshly criticized ( in a very, very nasty way) by private
mail for
> mentioning that I too was "afraid" to comment about things
mentioned in the
> group. If you are confused about the "change" in focus of this
group, you are not
> alone. I have received a good share of private mail ( I must be
popular :-) from
> those who totally do not understand the "how and why" this "issue"
came up.
> Clearly, Some would like this issue shrivel up and go away. But be
assured, some
> feel quite alienated since the Kerbam (kerpow) as some have
referred to it, and
> it looks worse yet to them if it looks like no one really gives a
rip.
>
> Personally, (as if anyone cares), I think the concept of what this
group "is" or
> "should be" or even what the List owners "want" it to be, will have
to be more
> clearly defined in order to get the group back to where it "was",
or better yet
> where it is supposed to be. Where it "was" was quite a few very
talented
> "commercial" people helping newcomers and even newcomers helping
newcomers. I'm
> not sure just where it is now. (cnc related functions such
as "tapping,
> threading,... were not related to cam ??)
>
> If it comes down to the pure "traffic" that some indicate there is
too much of, I
> am confused too. A really helpful group will clearly have a LOT of
traffic.
> Traffic, that is closely related to the subject guidelines of the
group. If only
> a small of traffic exists, there is no reason to visit as likely
one will not
> learn much.
>
> We ALL can learn here if there is something to learn.
>
> Can anyone tell me what on the internet these days is "not" High
traffic?? If we
> want to participate in a group that is informative or relevant to
what we enjoy,
> we just may need to accept the fact, that it will take TIME to
download those
> goodies we seek, get a faster connection or give it up. ( I realize
that some do
> not have any other options available)
>
> Fellas.... If you do not like all the traffic, If it is that YOU do
not want to
> have to weed out all of the stuff you are not interested in, Do
yourself a really
> BIG Favor. Spend 1 hour on learning HOW to use your Mail reader.
You will be
> happy you did. Have the Cad_Cam group dropped into its OWN FOLDER
by using the
> Filters made for this purpose. If you absolutely do NOT want to see
certain
> subjects, Create a filter to dump them right smack dab into the
trash can.
>
> In regards "snipping".... It does not matter to me. "snip"
or "don't snip"... It
> will be many many years before I run out of hard drive space and
I'm sure the
> List owners already have some plan of attack when it comes to
ditching messages
> when Yahoo will no longer fill the needs of the group. "Time"
necessary to
> dowwnload ? I pay less than $15 per month for unlimited access. If
it was $50,
> I'd still pay it. It is something I enjoy. Maybe one needs to
reconsider how much
> you love the "hobby" and related "jabber" via Newsgroup that goes
with it. If it
> is not worth the money your paying, Stop using it. Your other
option in
> guidelines with every law I know of in the States is you can Start
a business.
> Then your on-line costs are deductable. :-)
>
> I have NO problem ignoring topics that do not interest me, OT or
otherwise. I
> have stated that this group would only be a real mess if topics
like Abortion,
> gun control, religion and politics Etc. were allowed to exist.
Clearly, the
> concern of the List Owners has been evident so I think there will
be no problems
> there.
>
> The Group however, does have one real annoying issue
when "subscribing" for
> E-Mail delivery. The CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO tag line statement in the
subject line
> seems to interfere with normal "Sort by Subject" and "Sort by
Thread" routines.
> If this could be remedied it would be a big help. ( I have a hunch
it can't be
> changed)
>
> Clearly, a good "review" of the groups future focus is in order.
Provided that
> enough fore-thought is put into that review, this group should
flourish. I think
> it is very possible for a groups needs to "Change" over time to
reflect the needs
> of the group it serves. New methods and techniques show up all the
time.
> Tolerance is necessary to *allow* these new things to migrate into
the Hobby/
> Homebuilder world.
>
> Those who do not agree with the outcome, myself included, will have
the option to
> leave.
>
> Chris Luebke