Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] New poll for CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO

As I have sat back and cooled off a bit, I watch closely to the pure volume
of messages produced in the group as of late. If less posting was wanted, well,
it looks it worked. Some individuals have left, some have limited their posting
and some have even created more newsgroups.

Now that others are starting to reveal their true feelings, I figure I will too
make a statement in regards the "poll" and the On "T" and Off "T" issues.

I was harshly criticized ( in a very, very nasty way) by private mail for
mentioning that I too was "afraid" to comment about things mentioned in the
group. If you are confused about the "change" in focus of this group, you are not
alone. I have received a good share of private mail ( I must be popular :-) from
those who totally do not understand the "how and why" this "issue" came up.
Clearly, Some would like this issue shrivel up and go away. But be assured, some
feel quite alienated since the Kerbam (kerpow) as some have referred to it, and
it looks worse yet to them if it looks like no one really gives a rip.

Personally, (as if anyone cares), I think the concept of what this group "is" or
"should be" or even what the List owners "want" it to be, will have to be more
clearly defined in order to get the group back to where it "was", or better yet
where it is supposed to be. Where it "was" was quite a few very talented
"commercial" people helping newcomers and even newcomers helping newcomers. I'm
not sure just where it is now. (cnc related functions such as "tapping,
threading,... were not related to cam ??)

If it comes down to the pure "traffic" that some indicate there is too much of, I
am confused too. A really helpful group will clearly have a LOT of traffic.
Traffic, that is closely related to the subject guidelines of the group. If only
a small of traffic exists, there is no reason to visit as likely one will not
learn much.

We ALL can learn here if there is something to learn.

Can anyone tell me what on the internet these days is "not" High traffic?? If we
want to participate in a group that is informative or relevant to what we enjoy,
we just may need to accept the fact, that it will take TIME to download those
goodies we seek, get a faster connection or give it up. ( I realize that some do
not have any other options available)

Fellas.... If you do not like all the traffic, If it is that YOU do not want to
have to weed out all of the stuff you are not interested in, Do yourself a really
BIG Favor. Spend 1 hour on learning HOW to use your Mail reader. You will be
happy you did. Have the Cad_Cam group dropped into its OWN FOLDER by using the
Filters made for this purpose. If you absolutely do NOT want to see certain
subjects, Create a filter to dump them right smack dab into the trash can.

In regards "snipping".... It does not matter to me. "snip" or "don't snip"... It
will be many many years before I run out of hard drive space and I'm sure the
List owners already have some plan of attack when it comes to ditching messages
when Yahoo will no longer fill the needs of the group. "Time" necessary to
dowwnload ? I pay less than $15 per month for unlimited access. If it was $50,
I'd still pay it. It is something I enjoy. Maybe one needs to reconsider how much
you love the "hobby" and related "jabber" via Newsgroup that goes with it. If it
is not worth the money your paying, Stop using it. Your other option in
guidelines with every law I know of in the States is you can Start a business.
Then your on-line costs are deductable. :-)

I have NO problem ignoring topics that do not interest me, OT or otherwise. I
have stated that this group would only be a real mess if topics like Abortion,
gun control, religion and politics Etc. were allowed to exist. Clearly, the
concern of the List Owners has been evident so I think there will be no problems
there.

The Group however, does have one real annoying issue when "subscribing" for
E-Mail delivery. The CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO tag line statement in the subject line
seems to interfere with normal "Sort by Subject" and "Sort by Thread" routines.
If this could be remedied it would be a big help. ( I have a hunch it can't be
changed)

Clearly, a good "review" of the groups future focus is in order. Provided that
enough fore-thought is put into that review, this group should flourish. I think
it is very possible for a groups needs to "Change" over time to reflect the needs
of the group it serves. New methods and techniques show up all the time.
Tolerance is necessary to *allow* these new things to migrate into the Hobby/
Homebuilder world.

Those who do not agree with the outcome, myself included, will have the option to
leave.

Chris Luebke