Re: Gang tool holders

Scot,

I know exactly what you mean about the bad taste after dealing with
those people. When I was shopping I had several conversations with
the company's owner, he assured me if I was serious he'd give me a
price "that'll knock your socks off!!". Turned out his idea of a
super deal was 3% discount from list. I bought through a local
dealer and got closer to 15% off.

As for the machine, I think you'll be okay with it. CMS uses pretty
much off-the-shelf components so down the road if you have problems
there are alternate sources for parts/help. Actually, that was one
on my main concerns in choosing between Upgrade and Omni-turn. With
Upgrade I knew I could always fall back on Fagor for help, with Omni-
turn I was stuck with them and their proprietary control (and
attitude).

I don't know the 8055 control, but I think it's a much fa$ter ver$ion
of my 8025. Whichever Fagor control you have, you'll get to love.
They're really nice controls.

Let me know if you have any questions on the control, I may be able
to help. The manuals sometimes aren't the best translation from
Spanish (?).

Doug

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., Scot Rogers <scotr@b...> wrote:
> ~Is that a 3C machine? If so, doesn't it have something like
8000rpm
> ~on the spindle? Fagor 8025TG control?
> ~
>
> 3c it is.
>
> They rebuilt the machine for me after they stripped it for parts.
It can
> maybe reach a top speed of about 5k rpm now. As for the
controller, its a
> fagor 8055 now, or so they tell me. I really don't trust them at
this
> point. You don't even want to hear the story that I have to tell
you about
> it.
>
>
> ~Regarding the tooling, tons of it on Ebay. For 5/8" round shank
> ~tools get standard 3/8" center height Hardinge chucker toolholders
> ~and shim them up an 1/8". That's what I've been doing for 4+ years
> ~on my Upgrade (pre-CMS) machine. For square shanks, use 1/2" shank
> ~tools in Hardinge square shank holders (those holders are made for
> ~3/8" shanks, so the 1/2" shank puts them on center).
> ~
>
> I've looked on ebay a couple of times but I must be searching the
wrong way.
> I'll try antother way and see what it brings.
>
>
> ~You might give Omni-turn a try, they have quite a selection of
> ~tooling that'll fit your machine. Warning, though,...they don't
like
> ~to sell to owner's of competitors machines.
> ~
>
> Man, that just makes me angry. If I'd known that the machine tool
industry
> was so screwed, I'd have never started doing business with any of
them. Is
> my money purple? I'll tell you, one of the reasons that I didn't do
> business with them in the first place, is that they were so wierd
about
> that. It seems also that the only aftermarket producer of tooling
and
> toolholders is a company called Engineering Concepts. And in my
dealings
> wiht the owner of that company I get a wierd vibe.
>
>
> I just hope that I don't end up with a 3500lb paperweight. This is
my first
> cnc purchase. And I already get a bitter taste in my mouth.