RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Positioning

Hanero is a bullshit artist - the perfect example of "talk is cheap".

When asked for photos or details of the machines or items he claims he makes....

Tony

(One day we'll take up a collection to buy him a camera. No doubt his dog will eat that one too)
(Hey Ballendo, is that you?)

> Being right or not, being a jerk and getting personal takes away from your
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> Christopher Erickson
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> Summit Kinetics
> Waikoloa, HI 96738
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> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:02 PM
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> Subject: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Positioning
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> Capacitive type scales are cheap because of the way they are manufactured,
> that doesn't not affect their accuracy.
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> It's the same reason why bolts are cheaper than nuts - you can forge and
> roll the thread on a bolt, while you need to cut the thread on a nut. The
> operations to make a bolt are cheaper than making the nut for it.
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> Most capacitive scales have a resolution of 0.0005" of an inch, and can be
> made to measure less than that. Yes, even under a micron (and mostly better
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> If you have a source for their inaccuracy (apart from your rather fertile
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> Capacitive scales have two drawbacks - they're affected by oil & crud and
> have slow-ish data rates (50 readings per second?). Doesn't stop people
> using them though. The 'jitter' people find with those scales is power
> supply problems, usually caused when powered from a DRO rather than
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> Or RF, but that happens to everything.
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> If you bothered to calculate the thermal coefficient of your 600mm screw,
> you'd find for every degree (Celcius) change in temperature it will expand
> by that micron you claim to machine all of your parts to (including those
> "high-precision" spanners you were going to make - your funniest post ever).
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> Unless you have a temperature controlled room (to a degree!) AND are
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> every part of your machine at that temperature, your parts are not the size
> you imagine they are. And don't forget your scales are change shape at a
> different rate. Oh, and of course your screws are liquid cooled as well.
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> Sure, add scales. In theory they should tell you where everything thing is
> (you believe the brochure?), in practice close enough. I realise that's
> unsuitable for the fantasy-land you do your machining in, but anyway.
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> Machines with backlash shake themselves apart? Lol.
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> You really should do some machining one day, you might learn something.
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> From: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2014 6:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Positioning
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> The specs on the screw accuracy are irrelevant.
> What IS relevant is that there be no slop, as a machine with dual-feedback,
> ie glass scales, will shake itself to pieces is it has backlash.
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> Thats why you cannot use the crap chinese scales, because they are off, ie
> inaccurate, by upto 0.00" or 0.04 mm, in short distance, and the error
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> So using such, would make the machine jitter (sometimes, in some places).
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> This causing back-and forth motion, upto hundreds of times a second,
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> It is impossible to make a (working) secondary-feedback mechanism if you
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> Tony..
> Unlike some people here, I try to be factual and polite.
> Grin.
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> Re: screw accuracy.
> Everything is inaccurate. Its just a question of how much.
> One good part about glass scales, is that they are usually accurate (to 1
> micron, or down to 0.01 micron with some Mori Seiki machines).
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> Sure, when you read the specs on the average screw, and that "Dummies Guide
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> Do you know what a drunken thread is?
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> Do you know what a temperature coefficient is? (Go work out the expansion on
> a 600mm steel screw for a 1 degree delta.)
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