RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: CNC Pulse jitter?
Posted by
Carol & Jerry Jankura
on 2002-04-15 12:01:05 UTC
Rich:
You might want to try running with an empty CONFIG.SYS file and see if you
still experience your stutter. If not, you've got a driver that's taking
more time during an interrupt tna it should. I had a problem using Novell
DOS-7 (MS-DOS workbetter) and found that the EMM386.EXE file was causing the
problem. Once I removed the driver while I was running a CNC program, the
pulse train got quite a bit more stable.
-- Jerry
|
|Patrick,
|No EMC here.
|Just windoze/DOS.
|I'm using CNCPro and Turbocnc (trial). Both exibit jitter on a Toshiba
|Satellite pro and a box with P200.
|I found that constant contouring is the major problem (CNCPro).
|The real problem is the machine (Dyna Myte 2000) has a 10/1 gear drive
|between motor and leadscrew. This leaves the motor with a not quite solid
|load and having to run 10 times faster than normal to perform the task.
|The steppers are high inductance (16 ohm coils).
|Setting the slide gibs tight keeps the resonance at bay for the most part.
|If it were mine, I would retrofit to direct drive in a heartbeat.
|I also own a Dyna Myte 2400 that I'm upgrading. This also is 10/1 drive.
|We'll see how that goes.
|RichD
|
|Patrick Mendiuk wrote:
|>
|> Rich,
|> Are you running EMC on that stepper system? I have observed lots of
|> "strange pulse phenomena" with EMC.
|> It occurs all over the pulse train and the amount can be MUCH
|greater than
|> the 1 -2% that Mariss mentioned.
|> I tested EMC on a variety of PCs and clock speeds and they all
|exhibited it
|> to some extent. What I observed in the pulse train were drastic glitches
|> along with very small but ever present variations that you'd expect from
|> RTLinux. I think you're seeing just the small variations mainly
|with your
|> analog scope. My damped and undamped test setups were monitoring rotary
|> encoder outputs as well and motor motion was only effected by the large
|> glitches. I couldn't see any periodicity to the glitch
|occurrences, so it
|> might take some doing to find the source(s) of the problem.
|>
|> Patrick
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You might want to try running with an empty CONFIG.SYS file and see if you
still experience your stutter. If not, you've got a driver that's taking
more time during an interrupt tna it should. I had a problem using Novell
DOS-7 (MS-DOS workbetter) and found that the EMM386.EXE file was causing the
problem. Once I removed the driver while I was running a CNC program, the
pulse train got quite a bit more stable.
-- Jerry
|
|Patrick,
|No EMC here.
|Just windoze/DOS.
|I'm using CNCPro and Turbocnc (trial). Both exibit jitter on a Toshiba
|Satellite pro and a box with P200.
|I found that constant contouring is the major problem (CNCPro).
|The real problem is the machine (Dyna Myte 2000) has a 10/1 gear drive
|between motor and leadscrew. This leaves the motor with a not quite solid
|load and having to run 10 times faster than normal to perform the task.
|The steppers are high inductance (16 ohm coils).
|Setting the slide gibs tight keeps the resonance at bay for the most part.
|If it were mine, I would retrofit to direct drive in a heartbeat.
|I also own a Dyna Myte 2400 that I'm upgrading. This also is 10/1 drive.
|We'll see how that goes.
|RichD
|
|Patrick Mendiuk wrote:
|>
|> Rich,
|> Are you running EMC on that stepper system? I have observed lots of
|> "strange pulse phenomena" with EMC.
|> It occurs all over the pulse train and the amount can be MUCH
|greater than
|> the 1 -2% that Mariss mentioned.
|> I tested EMC on a variety of PCs and clock speeds and they all
|exhibited it
|> to some extent. What I observed in the pulse train were drastic glitches
|> along with very small but ever present variations that you'd expect from
|> RTLinux. I think you're seeing just the small variations mainly
|with your
|> analog scope. My damped and undamped test setups were monitoring rotary
|> encoder outputs as well and motor motion was only effected by the large
|> glitches. I couldn't see any periodicity to the glitch
|occurrences, so it
|> might take some doing to find the source(s) of the problem.
|>
|> Patrick
|
|Addresses:
|FAQ: http://www.ktmarketing.com/faq.html
|FILES: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO/files/
|
|OFF Topic POSTS: General Machining
|If you wish to post on unlimited OT subjects goto:
|aol://5863:126/rec.crafts.metalworking or go thru Google.com to
|reach it if you have trouble.
|http://www.metalworking.com/news_servers.html
|
|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jobshophomeshop I consider this as
|a sister site to the CCED group, as many of the same memembers are
|there, for OT subjects, that are not allowed on the CCED list.
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Discussion Thread
RichD
2002-04-14 11:14:57 UTC
[CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO]CNC Pulse jitter?
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2002-04-14 11:52:55 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO]CNC Pulse jitter?
Jon Elson
2002-04-14 23:10:30 UTC
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2002-04-15 00:58:55 UTC
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2002-04-15 08:37:40 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: CNC Pulse jitter?
Jon Elson
2002-04-15 11:22:33 UTC
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2002-04-15 12:01:05 UTC
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Patrick Mendiuk
2002-04-15 12:58:27 UTC
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2002-04-15 17:41:24 UTC
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2002-04-15 22:05:38 UTC
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2002-04-15 22:08:20 UTC
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2002-04-16 04:38:46 UTC
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Patrick Mendiuk
2002-04-16 11:13:13 UTC
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Carol & Jerry Jankura
2002-04-16 18:25:33 UTC
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2002-04-16 20:17:25 UTC
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2002-04-16 23:13:22 UTC
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2002-04-16 23:48:22 UTC
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2002-04-16 23:50:58 UTC
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2002-04-17 04:42:29 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: CNC Pulse jitter?
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2002-04-17 05:51:19 UTC
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2002-04-17 06:22:36 UTC
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2002-04-17 15:29:54 UTC
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2002-04-17 23:27:39 UTC
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2002-04-18 07:02:08 UTC
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2002-04-18 13:46:03 UTC
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2002-04-19 00:47:00 UTC
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2002-04-19 13:35:58 UTC
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2002-04-19 15:02:21 UTC
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2002-04-19 23:57:24 UTC
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