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Re: Higher power from L298 etc.

Posted by Tony Jeffree
on 2002-11-07 02:54:45 UTC
Apologies - disregard that comment - just spotted that you said 4
L298's - the SGS Thompson config was 2 L298's. So they may well be
right about 4A/phase. Apologies for the confusion. Presumably they
are using 4 drivers in paralell for each phase. Interesting!

Regards,
Tony.


--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., Van Der Sandt Coert <vandersandtc@a...>
wrote:
> Oh OK - I suppose that the cards are over spec'd then. Good to know
for
> future ref.
>
> Thanks
> Coert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@j...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:18 PM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y...
> Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc.
>
>
> Yes, the SGS Thompson datasheet shows such a configuration;
however,
> they indicate a max of 3A (not 4A) DC and 3.5A repetitive (80:20
duty
> cycle with n on time of 10ms) for that configuration. So it sounds
to
> me like the boards you have are a touch over spec'd according to
the
> words in the SGS Thompson datasheet.
>
> Operating the drivers independently, the datasheet indicates
2A/phase
> DC and 2.5A/phase repetitive. So by using an extra 297 to allow all
4
> drivers to be current limited independently, it seems to me that
you
> could end up with 4A/phase DC and 5A/phase repetetive.
>
> Anyone know of/tried such a configuration?
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
> --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., Van Der Sandt Coert
<vandersandtc@a...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Tony
> > I have four controllers (Avistep) that I bought surplus. Each
> controller has
> > four 298's and only one 297. Claimed current per phase is 4A. I
> could never
> > test this as none of my setups is that power hungry. My point is
> that it is
> > possible to get 4A / phase with 4 298 and one 297. Unfortunately
I
> do not
> > have the circuit diagrams for the controllers only the physical
> controllers.
> >
> > BTW : Has anyone ever heard of Avistep controllers? Net searches
> don't seem
> > to be able to find any references to these controllers.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Coert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@j...]
> >
> >
> > I was musing about the problem of getting better than 2A/phase
out
> of
> > L298s (or better than 2.5A/phase out of Allegro 3977s). The
> datasheet
> > for the L298 suggests that it is possible to use 2 L298s, and
> deliver
> > 3A/phase, by paralelling the two driver stages in one 298 to
drive
> > one motor coil, and paralelling the other driver stages to drive
> the
> > second coil. Presumably, you can't get the full 4A/phase when
doing
> > this because of imperfect matching of the driver characteristics,
> > which would cause one driver to take more of the current, and the
> > current sense operates on the sum of the currents through each
> > driver, leading to the danger of thermal runaway & release of the
> > magic black smoke.
> >
> > It occurred to me that there is an alternative approach that
could
> > work with 8-wire motors; instead of wiring the L298 outputs in
> > paralell, you use one half of a 298 to drive the A coil, and the
> > other to drive the B coil; similarly, use one half of the second
> 298
> > to drive the A' coil, and the other half to drive the B' coil.
> > Unfortunately, you would have to double up on L297's as well, in
> > order to control all four coils independently; the step-and-
> direction
> > signals into these would simply be wired in paralell.
> >
> > All four drivers should then be able to operate up to their full
> > 2A/phase, as they would be generating their own independent
current
> > sense signals back to their respective 297s. In effect, you would
> > then have the same result as driving the 8-wire motor in bipolar
> > paralell configuration, and would set the current limit on the
> > drivers to 1/2 the value you would normally use for bipolar
> paralell.
> >
> > Presumably this same approach could also be used with other
driver
> > chipsets such as the Allegro 3977, etc.
> >
> > So this would seem allow driving up to 4A/phase into 8-wire
motors
> > using two sets of 297/298, or 5A/phase using two 3977s.
> >
> > Can anyone see a problem with this approach (other than the cost
of
> > an extra chipset & ancilliary components per motor, and the
> > limitation of using 8-wire motors)?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
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Discussion Thread

Tony Jeffree 2002-11-07 00:53:04 UTC Higher power from L298 etc. Van Der Sandt Coert 2002-11-07 01:59:21 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Higher power from L298 etc. Tony Jeffree 2002-11-07 02:18:11 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Van Der Sandt Coert 2002-11-07 02:25:19 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Tony Jeffree 2002-11-07 02:51:10 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Tony Jeffree 2002-11-07 02:54:45 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Mark Taft 2002-11-07 03:27:04 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Van Der Sandt Coert 2002-11-07 04:21:50 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Jon Elson 2002-11-07 09:14:59 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Tim Goldstein 2002-11-07 12:58:09 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Tony Jeffree 2002-11-07 19:31:14 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Tony Jeffree 2002-11-07 19:32:06 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. mariss92705 2002-11-07 20:33:30 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Tony Jeffree 2002-11-08 00:16:20 UTC Re: Higher power from L298 etc. JJ 2002-11-08 05:03:34 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Van Der Sandt Coert 2002-11-08 06:04:48 UTC RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. Ron Kline 2002-11-08 06:48:42 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Higher power from L298 etc. petegrk@m... 2002-11-08 19:52:58 UTC Master CAM cost Mr.G 2002-11-08 20:47:16 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Master CAM cost dgmachinist 2002-11-11 01:59:43 UTC Re: Master CAM cost petegrk@m... 2002-11-14 07:35:46 UTC Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Master CAM cost