Measuring backlash more accurately?
Posted by
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
on 2003-02-16 13:46:56 UTC
I have been fighting a problem on the gantry mill. The Y axis seems to
"drift" so that over the course of macining a contoured part (say 10 depth
passes of outline and internal pockets) it has moved 20 thou or so. For a
part that has 30-thou walls, this has created great frustration.
After completely rewiring the controller box, fully separating signal from
power grounds, minimizing wire runs, twisting pairs, etc. I made another
trial run this morning, with no help.
I realized that the backlash settings might not be right. (That's about
the only thing left...) I had measured the backlash on each axis by the
conventional method (move + increment, zero indicator, move + increment
again and then - increment and write down the reading) but after a program
that has maybe 100 Y moves, it seems to me that I need a more accurate way
of measuring the backlash.
Is there a way to cycle the axis so the backlash accumulates? I could then
run the cycle 10 or 50 or 100 times and divide the resulting accumulated
backlash by the number of cycles. I can't think of a cycle though, that
just doesn't run back and forth in the backlash window.
The only other thing I could think of is to input a backlash value that I
know is wrong, and run the machine back and forth and see how it "drifts",
tweak the backlash value, run it some more and repeat until it doesn't
drift.
I have a Starett "Last Word" indicator with half-thou graduations. I can
estimate to maybe one-tenth but maybe more reliably to 2-tenths.
Any advice?
Thanks!
Randy
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"drift" so that over the course of macining a contoured part (say 10 depth
passes of outline and internal pockets) it has moved 20 thou or so. For a
part that has 30-thou walls, this has created great frustration.
After completely rewiring the controller box, fully separating signal from
power grounds, minimizing wire runs, twisting pairs, etc. I made another
trial run this morning, with no help.
I realized that the backlash settings might not be right. (That's about
the only thing left...) I had measured the backlash on each axis by the
conventional method (move + increment, zero indicator, move + increment
again and then - increment and write down the reading) but after a program
that has maybe 100 Y moves, it seems to me that I need a more accurate way
of measuring the backlash.
Is there a way to cycle the axis so the backlash accumulates? I could then
run the cycle 10 or 50 or 100 times and divide the resulting accumulated
backlash by the number of cycles. I can't think of a cycle though, that
just doesn't run back and forth in the backlash window.
The only other thing I could think of is to input a backlash value that I
know is wrong, and run the machine back and forth and see how it "drifts",
tweak the backlash value, run it some more and repeat until it doesn't
drift.
I have a Starett "Last Word" indicator with half-thou graduations. I can
estimate to maybe one-tenth but maybe more reliably to 2-tenths.
Any advice?
Thanks!
Randy
Randy Gordon-Gilmore ,----.___________ ______________ _________________
ProtoTrains // = = === == || == == == = || == == == = == =|
Rio Vista, CA, USA /-O==O------------o==o------------o==o-----------o==o-'
zephyrus@... http://www.prototrains.com
Discussion Thread
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 13:46:56 UTC
Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-16 15:45:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Measuring backlash more accurately?
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 17:24:11 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
torsten98001 <torsten@g...
2003-02-16 18:16:29 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-16 21:26:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 23:27:34 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 23:35:01 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
torsten98001 <torsten@g...
2003-02-17 03:59:26 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Hoyt McKagen
2003-02-17 04:29:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-17 06:59:15 UTC
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Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-18 16:25:04 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
justjuha <juha.keisala@n...
2003-02-19 02:15:16 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-19 10:42:24 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Bob Simon
2003-02-19 16:28:59 UTC
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ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-20 04:48:23 UTC
axis clamping was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-20 06:18:30 UTC
axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Fred Smith <imserv@v...
2003-02-20 06:32:09 UTC
axis clamping was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-20 10:41:36 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-21 03:33:22 UTC
axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-21 09:54:08 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
justjuha <juha.keisala@n...
2003-02-24 03:19:36 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-24 10:10:47 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Bob Simon
2003-02-24 12:03:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-26 10:36:06 UTC
Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-26 22:52:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Art
2003-02-27 10:21:35 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
caudlet <info@t...
2003-02-27 16:30:45 UTC
Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
justjuha <juha.keisala@n...
2003-02-28 01:17:30 UTC
Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-03-04 05:59:48 UTC
Mach1 closed loop? sortof-NOW was Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes.