Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Posted by
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
on 2003-02-16 17:24:11 UTC
At 05:45 PM 2/16/03 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:
single-axis drivers (half-stepping drives) with CNCPro. Leadscrews are 2mm
pitch "anti-backlash" ballscrews (it's an older Techno Series I gantry
table,) so there are 2540 steps/inch. The shaft couplers are good and
tight. I have the acceleration set pretty low--.5 in/sec^2--because of the
relative flexibility of the machine, but the motors on all three axes are
capable of 2+ in/sec^2 (but the machine flexes more at that acceleration.)
I've also backplotted the gcode I was running in editNC, and know that it
is "good".
I did an experiment after I posted. I had the Y backlash set at .001".
Repeatedly jogging out and back .250" gave a reading of 0.000" on the
indicator, sometimes varying .0005" or so.
I set the backlash compensation to .0011", and was suddenly "losing" about
.001" of travel each cycle--i.e. the Last Word was being deflected about
.001" less each cycle.
I set the backlash back to .001", and the movement was back to being about
even. Same when I set the backlash to .0009".
When I set the backlash to .0008", I was suddenly "gaining" about .001" of
travel each cycle--the Last Word was being deflected about .001" more each
cycle.
I'm wondering if there is some interaction between the relative coarseness
of the stepping, and how CNCPro inserts its backlash compensation. The
steps are almost, but not quite half a thou, and trying to apply an even
thou of backlash compensation might accumulate rounding errors(?)
Best regards,
Randy
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>So, if the error IS accumulating, then you are either losing steps inThanks for the reply, Jon. I'm using three General Controls 29A55
>some manner, or there is mechanical slippage in your machine,
single-axis drivers (half-stepping drives) with CNCPro. Leadscrews are 2mm
pitch "anti-backlash" ballscrews (it's an older Techno Series I gantry
table,) so there are 2540 steps/inch. The shaft couplers are good and
tight. I have the acceleration set pretty low--.5 in/sec^2--because of the
relative flexibility of the machine, but the motors on all three axes are
capable of 2+ in/sec^2 (but the machine flexes more at that acceleration.)
I've also backplotted the gcode I was running in editNC, and know that it
is "good".
I did an experiment after I posted. I had the Y backlash set at .001".
Repeatedly jogging out and back .250" gave a reading of 0.000" on the
indicator, sometimes varying .0005" or so.
I set the backlash compensation to .0011", and was suddenly "losing" about
.001" of travel each cycle--i.e. the Last Word was being deflected about
.001" less each cycle.
I set the backlash back to .001", and the movement was back to being about
even. Same when I set the backlash to .0009".
When I set the backlash to .0008", I was suddenly "gaining" about .001" of
travel each cycle--the Last Word was being deflected about .001" more each
cycle.
I'm wondering if there is some interaction between the relative coarseness
of the stepping, and how CNCPro inserts its backlash compensation. The
steps are almost, but not quite half a thou, and trying to apply an even
thou of backlash compensation might accumulate rounding errors(?)
Best regards,
Randy
Randy Gordon-Gilmore ,----.___________ ______________ _________________
ProtoTrains // = = === == || == == == = || == == == = == =|
Rio Vista, CA, USA /-O==O------------o==o------------o==o-----------o==o-'
zephyrus@... http://www.prototrains.com
Discussion Thread
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 13:46:56 UTC
Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-16 15:45:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Measuring backlash more accurately?
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 17:24:11 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
torsten98001 <torsten@g...
2003-02-16 18:16:29 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-16 21:26:31 UTC
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Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 23:27:34 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-16 23:35:01 UTC
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torsten98001 <torsten@g...
2003-02-17 03:59:26 UTC
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Hoyt McKagen
2003-02-17 04:29:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-17 06:59:15 UTC
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Randy Gordon-Gilmore
2003-02-18 16:25:04 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
justjuha <juha.keisala@n...
2003-02-19 02:15:16 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-19 10:42:24 UTC
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Bob Simon
2003-02-19 16:28:59 UTC
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ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-20 04:48:23 UTC
axis clamping was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-20 06:18:30 UTC
axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Fred Smith <imserv@v...
2003-02-20 06:32:09 UTC
axis clamping was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-20 10:41:36 UTC
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ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-21 03:33:22 UTC
axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-21 09:54:08 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] axis clamps/brakes was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
justjuha <juha.keisala@n...
2003-02-24 03:19:36 UTC
Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-24 10:10:47 UTC
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Bob Simon
2003-02-24 12:03:03 UTC
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ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-02-26 10:36:06 UTC
Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Jon Elson
2003-02-26 22:52:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
Art
2003-02-27 10:21:35 UTC
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caudlet <info@t...
2003-02-27 16:30:45 UTC
Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
justjuha <juha.keisala@n...
2003-02-28 01:17:30 UTC
Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes. was Re: Measuring backlash more accurately?
ballendo <ballendo@y...
2003-03-04 05:59:48 UTC
Mach1 closed loop? sortof-NOW was Mach1 w/ toolchanger? Yes.