Re: OT Banned from YeagerAutomation

Hi Ballendo,

the noice serves both sides. If Doug is taking some time off for fun
or development, and not supporting stuff quickly, then he is warned
that we do notice such things and posts from him are WAY better than
404.

We all need a break, and that's why they created the mid-life crisis,
so after all that pms grief you can get a new sporty car.

On the other hand, Art posts very quickly and that may leave some
solutions not discussed. What I mean is each user found his needs
and way of doing things and may post a different way to solve a
problem. Like we see on this site.

Technical, code related, Art can teach a lot of professional
companies what customer service is. (remember Art, send the check to
my new address)

as for how it relates to this group, we do need to know what the
market is doing such as the Bridgport post some time ago. what's
new, what's old, what works and what don't.

and advices like this (advices are reports on what happened, advice
is free and one's opinion) seem to get one post then wither away as
off topic.

Dave

--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., "ballendo" <ballendo@y...> wrote:
> Hello fellow CNC'ers,
>
> Tonight I was banned from a yahoo group. The first time ever.
> Yeager Automation (YA), a group for users of CncPRO and
AceConverter.
> I had been a member since its inception, and had posted quite a few
> helpful messages (according to the responses given).
>
> I became aware of this tonight when "My groups" did not list me as
a
> member of YA. I thought it might be a yahoo blip (but maybe not),
so
> I rejoined and posted the first message below. Below that are my
> posts for this evening. I left the YA group site to take a look at
> Jeff Davis's new roll-your-own-preload-ballscrews(nice!), and when
I
> came back I had been banned.
>
> Lately a lot of YA group members have been concerned by the lack of
> support of CncPRO. Doug Yeager, the author, no longer answered
direct
> group requests for help or advice with his program(s). As others
> wondered what to do, I suggested Master5 (and Mach1, its successor)
> by Art Fenerty. Art has been giving EXCELLENT support. A fact you
can
> see by looking at the master5 yahoo group. You can also see the
lack
> of support given in the last few months by YeagerAutomation in
their
> yahoo group. (What you won't see is the messages I left
recommending
> master5 to those who WERE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE! They've been
> deleted from the archive... Whether my "other" posts will remain I
> will not know)
>
> So this is presented so that you may make your own determination as
> to whether you want to use CncPRO; knowing that the moderator of
the
> group feels the need to censor posts, and ban active members. You
can
> see that I still answered posts of members that didn't have
anything
> to do with YA directly:
>
> I understand that some will be pleased to hear of my banning. OK.
The
> facts are here posted so that others can make up their own minds
> about using CncPRO, or other YA products.
>
> Ballendo
>
> First here is the welcome message for the group, sent to all member
> upon joining:
>
> >Subject: Welcome to yeagerautomation
> >
> >Group discussion on products provided by Yeager Automation and
> >related issues. Talk about whatever you wish. If there are
specific
> >bug or feature issues, be aware that i don't read all the posts,
so
> >you may have to address me directly.
> >
> >Only one rule: NO FLAMING!
> >
> >thx,
> >doug yeager
> >yeager automation
> >
> ********** tonights posts ******************************************
>
> Hello Jeff, List,
>
> You and others in this group might like to know that my recent
> messages were deleted and I was apparently removed from the group.
> More than a few messages were removed, and I'm not sure who did it,
> but it sure smells of censorship...
>
> Many of these messages were suggestions to try Master5, for Art F
> over there IS providing support like Doug USED TO...
>
> The latest one included the statement that "saying you are
supporting
> a product is not the same as doing so..."
>
> THESE MESSAGES WERE RESPONSES TO OTHERS WHO, LIKE JEFFS MESSAGE
> BELOW, ARE WONDERING WHAT TO MAKE OF THE PRESENT SITUATION...
>
> I'd sure like to know what happened?!? Doug, do you know?
>
> As I keep a record of all that I post, I will wait for an answer
> here. If none is provided, I will repost my deleted messages in
other
> CNC groups. (along with this "explanation" note)
>
> Ballendo
>
> P.S. As a member of over 65 groups, none of which were similarly
> affected, I DON'T think this was a Yahoo error...
>
> --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "jeffdavis516" <cadman@p...> wrote:
> > If Doug has time to answer your messages why can't he send one
> little
> > note to this group just to say he is around and working? I might
> > make some of us feel a little better.
> >
> > Jeff Davis
> > http://www.homecnc.info
> >
> > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "Rien Kleinjan" <rienkleinjan@s...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > i just recieved a message from Doug Yeager that he is still
> > supporting
> > > cncpro. So don't worry......he is a busy man.
> > > Some people talk about Master5 as an alternative for cncpro. I
> did
> > compare
> > > the programs but i'm sorry for the users of master5.....it is
not
> > that
> > > profesional as it looks.
> > >
> > > Rien Kleinjan
>
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> *
> Rian,
>
> I am quite fond of CncPRO. I am frustrated that doug no longer
feels
> the need to answer questions posed directly to him on this forum,
> which I think HE started! (I understand that he may not read it
> everyday, but weeks have gone by with no response from him...)
>
> Master5 is as you say limited to 8192 steps/second. It ALSO runs
> directly in windows without additional "hardware". Its successor,
> Mach1, will not/does not have the same speed limitations. And the
> user interface will be user-configurable!
>
> Furthermore, the Master5 CVV IS TRUE CVV, not a one-entity
lookahead.
> Most important, view the master5 group messages. Look at the time
> frame between when a question is asked, and when Art himself
answers
> it!
>
> After all, the recent threads have been largely about whether this
> was a "dead" program or not, And I'm NOT the one posting them...
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ballendo (saving a copy just in case)
>
> P.S. rather interesting to see a response to an "unlisted" message,
> don't you think?
>
> --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "Rien Kleinjan" <rienkleinjan@s...>
> wrote:
> > I'm not only staring at the controls, i'm even trying to work
with
> master5 ! Master5 is not fast enough to do 4096 pulses/mm at
> 1500mm/min and cncpro does !
> > So if you think Master5 is better thats your choice.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ballendo
> > To: yeagerautomation@y...
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:09 PM
> > Subject: [yeagerautomation] Re: support cncpro (NOT)
> >
> >
> > Don't worry?!?
> >
> > Saying you are supporting something and actually doing it are
two
> > different things...
> >
> > When we have had entire threads go by with no input from Doug
> (even
> > when he was specifically asked to comment), That is
> NOT "support",
> > IMO...
> >
> > Ballendo
> >
> > P.S. With respect to master5, try similar CVV dependent files
on
> > both. M5 CVV blows CncPRO away! As to the "look" of M5, the new
> > version called mach1 will be configurable to support different
> looks.
> > Besides, its the guts that matter, IMO. Unless you are staring
at
> the
> > control as you are making parts...
> >
> > --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "Rien Kleinjan"
<rienkleinjan@s...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > i just recieved a message from Doug Yeager that he is still
> > supporting
> > > cncpro. So don't worry......he is a busy man.
> > > Some people talk about Master5 as an alternative for cncpro.
I
> did
> > compare
> > > the programs but i'm sorry for the users of master5.....it is
> not
> > that
> > > profesional as it looks.
> > >
> > > Rien Kleinjan
> >
>
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> *
>
> Randy,
>
> If by "rapiding" you mean an axis move with MDI, then there is an
> easy explanation... The need for a jog routine to tightly integrate
> itself with the keyboard; which a rapid move to a specific location
> does not need. The extra "reads" of the keyboard status could
easily
> affect the sound you hear as the motor(s) move.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ballendo
>
> In yeagerautomation@y..., Randy Gordon-Gilmore <zephyrus@r...>
wrote:
> <snip>
> >But I found out that 20ipm jogging is not the same as 20ipm
rapiding
> >(I can hear the difference in the tone the motors make) I was
never
> >able to get an explanation from Doug about that.
> <snip>
>
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> *
>
> Les,
>
> See my previous post to Randy re losing steps. If one does not use
> the robotic-grade cable, AND if it is not constrained to
a "rolling"
> motion (using instead what wire mfrs. call "tick-tock", which is
like
> holding two ends of a loop and moving them together, apart,
together,
> apart, etc.); you may find wire failure as early as 15000 cycles.
The
> SAME cable properly used might make 300,000... a robotics-grade
cable
> might make 3 million cycles.
>
> Worth knowing, IMO,
>
> Ballendo
>
> --- In yeagerautomation@y..., "paladinironworks"
> <paladinironworks@h...> wrote:
> > Your lead screw is 20 TPI?
> >
> > Double check steps per inch.
> >
> > You should be able to cut .06 deep at about 3 IPM I would think
in
> > G10 Epoxy glass.
> > I hope you get it going, I know the feeling, my plasma cutter
> > started losing steps lately.
> >
> > Les
>
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> *
>
> Randy,
>
> Nearly all 3 axis controls default to xy plane for arcs (G17),
BUT...
>
> Expressly STATING G17 IS good programming practice! It is part of a
> standard safety block, as you surmised. A cnc control should
> not "hiccup" on a G17... (so take it out if cncpro requires that
you
> do so, but keep the habit of including it so you won't be surprised
> at other machines.)
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ballendo
>
> -- In yeagerautomation@y..., Randy Gordon-Gilmore <zephyrus@r...>
> wrote:
> > At 09:58 PM 4/29/02 -0400, Ron wrote:
> >
> > >I still don't understand why you are using G17.
> > >There is nothing you describe to reguire it.
> >
> > OK, I'll leave it out. I thought that was a standard setup type
of
> > command... But the less things to go wrong, the better! :-)
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > Randy Gordon-Gilmore ,----.___________ ______________
> _________________
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