Re: boom
Posted by
mayfieldtm
on 2002-08-05 12:53:15 UTC
You need to go back to school.
Unplug your active motors all you want.
Tom M. (!)
Unplug your active motors all you want.
Tom M. (!)
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@y..., bjammin@i... wrote:
> At 05:22 PM 8/4/02 -0000, mayfieldtm wrote:
> >A step motor's winding with current applied is simply an inductor
> >sucking up power and generating a magnetic field. If the current
flow
> >is abruptly interrupted, such as when being physically
disconnected,
> >the magnetic field will collapse, the speed of collapse is
determined
> >by the size of the inductance of the winding, resistance of the
> >winding and other factors. The collapsing magnetic field induces a
> >reverse voltage into the windings. This Voltage can be several
> >hundred volts under certain conditions, jumping the broken
connection
> >and frying the drivers.
>
> All true. Except frying the drivers. Magnetic field collaspes
exactly in
> step with spontaneously with current slowing and stopping. Neither
is
> instantaneous, and induced voltage is probably low. But the point
is moot,
> see below.
>
> >include the protection circuitry for such events. or... as
mentioned
> >above, the winding resistance and inductance are such that only
low
> >back EMF is generated.
>
> Field collapse isn't back EMF. Steppers holding don't have a back
EMF
> anyway. Back EMF is product of moving fields. Happens in electric
motors
> because they are also at same time generators with reversed
polarity,
> limits current draw when idling near synchronous speed. Neither
fields not
> rotor moving in stepper in hold state. At the point of actually
stepping,
> then only it will have a slight back EMF on one set windings.
Completely
> different effect from field collapse pulses; hence this point
constitutes a
> logical discussion error: red herring. See below.
>
> >In actuality a step motor's current is turned on or off for each
> >step, and can be turned on and off thousands of times per second,
> >(even at rest) if a "chopper" drive is used.
>
> Ah I knew that, it's the basis of my previously ignored
argument ... when a
> stepper motor winding is switched off by the driver, the magnetic
field
> collapses in the excited windings, probably faster than when I
unplug it.
> <=Nothing you can do about it! The stepper is connected to the
driver when
> this happens, and so all the induced voltage generated is imposed
on the
> driver output as you noted thousands of times per second. As
opposed to
> whatever partial pulse may jump the connector once when I break it.
Now ask
> yourself, is therefore the driver immune to pulses of that nature,
no
> matter their cause?
>
> There was another logical error in someone's note: shooting the
messenger.
> Said he was hard to stir up, but that I did it. Neither is true!
First, I
> didn't stir you up unless I reached thru your screen and personally
shook
> your cage. Second, therefore you did it yourself, and ... that's
all it took?
Discussion Thread
tauscnc
2002-08-03 21:01:34 UTC
L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
afogassa
2002-08-03 21:18:57 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
RichD
2002-08-03 21:19:09 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
Carol & Jerry Jankura
2002-08-03 22:02:40 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
tauscnc
2002-08-03 22:05:32 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
RichD
2002-08-03 22:21:32 UTC
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tauscnc
2002-08-03 22:41:37 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
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2002-08-03 23:10:38 UTC
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tauscnc
2002-08-03 23:25:40 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
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2002-08-03 23:59:12 UTC
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2002-08-04 05:16:27 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
RichD
2002-08-04 07:57:43 UTC
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tauscnc
2002-08-04 08:08:09 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
bjammin@i...
2002-08-04 08:39:46 UTC
L298 goes boom
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2002-08-04 08:45:23 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
exeric1
2002-08-04 09:09:31 UTC
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tauscnc
2002-08-04 09:53:57 UTC
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2002-08-04 10:22:36 UTC
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2002-08-04 12:25:20 UTC
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tauscnc
2002-08-04 12:49:53 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom
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2002-08-04 14:49:46 UTC
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2002-08-04 15:17:14 UTC
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turbulatordude
2002-08-04 15:20:27 UTC
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2002-08-04 16:37:48 UTC
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2002-08-04 16:50:24 UTC
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2002-08-04 17:29:10 UTC
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2002-08-05 10:55:57 UTC
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bjammin@i...
2002-08-05 12:39:57 UTC
boom
mayfieldtm
2002-08-05 12:53:15 UTC
Re: boom
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2002-08-05 18:10:17 UTC
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2002-08-05 18:41:05 UTC
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2002-08-05 23:05:54 UTC
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2002-08-06 03:57:52 UTC
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2002-08-06 05:46:35 UTC
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2002-08-06 08:44:56 UTC
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kooloosj
2002-08-07 02:10:28 UTC
Re: L298 goes boom on my camtronics :(
Ian W. Wright
2002-08-07 10:25:15 UTC
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2002-08-08 18:48:21 UTC
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2002-08-08 20:51:42 UTC
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2002-08-08 20:57:06 UTC
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2002-08-08 21:06:06 UTC
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2002-08-08 21:10:41 UTC
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2002-08-08 21:42:45 UTC
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2002-08-08 21:51:40 UTC
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2002-08-08 22:33:46 UTC
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2002-08-09 00:59:59 UTC
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2002-08-09 01:10:02 UTC
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2002-08-09 08:00:15 UTC
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