Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Is it possible to change the BP motor to eliminate shifting?
Posted by
R Rogers
on 2005-04-10 10:00:34 UTC
Shifting from low range to high range via some NC controlled actuator would be virtually impossible I'd think. I've never seen one that could be shifted without assisting by clocking the spindle with the other hand. Sometimes they go right in but not very often. Similar to shifting even a manual transmission in a car with the engine off. Some gears are synchronised and some are not.
Possibly, a very complex setup involving relays to quickly change the polarity of the motor back and forth with small pulses of current to oscilate the spindle while the lever was being positioned and limits to feedback to the control that the shift was indeed completed.
Possibly a brake on the spindle and the motor shaft with sensors that would stop them in the same position everytime to allow shifting with an actuator where the gears are synchronised.
It's basically a two speed transmission and if its in high range it will be all speed and no low end torque and in low range it would be all torque and no speed.
Ron
Stephen Wille Padnos <spadnos@...> wrote:
Jeff Goldberg wrote:
though - you have to be sure that the crank is only turned when the
spindle is running, for instance.
Another option is to use a DC motor and drive, like this guy did:
http://truetex.com/dcdrv.htm
You get full torque at all speeds, so that's not a problem. You don;t
get "extra" torque on the low end though, so it may still me a good idea
to have changeable gearing.
I'm definitely curious about answers to this question as well.
- Steve
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Possibly, a very complex setup involving relays to quickly change the polarity of the motor back and forth with small pulses of current to oscilate the spindle while the lever was being positioned and limits to feedback to the control that the shift was indeed completed.
Possibly a brake on the spindle and the motor shaft with sensors that would stop them in the same position everytime to allow shifting with an actuator where the gears are synchronised.
It's basically a two speed transmission and if its in high range it will be all speed and no low end torque and in low range it would be all torque and no speed.
Ron
Stephen Wille Padnos <spadnos@...> wrote:
Jeff Goldberg wrote:
>Maybe this is heresy, but how about a small stepper or servo motorI had thought about this as well. There are issues with the controller
>controlling the Varispeed crank. It's kinda hokey, but no fancy spindle
>electronics involved and you get maximum torque at the low end. Also, you
>don't have to change a whole lot of your setup to get there.
>
>Just a thought,
>jeff
>
>
though - you have to be sure that the crank is only turned when the
spindle is running, for instance.
Another option is to use a DC motor and drive, like this guy did:
http://truetex.com/dcdrv.htm
You get full torque at all speeds, so that's not a problem. You don;t
get "extra" torque on the low end though, so it may still me a good idea
to have changeable gearing.
I'm definitely curious about answers to this question as well.
- Steve
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Discussion Thread
Keith Clark
2005-04-10 06:23:50 UTC
Is it possible to change the BP motor to eliminate shifting?
Lance Hopper
2005-04-10 07:30:09 UTC
Re: Is it possible to change the BP motor to eliminate shifting?
Keith Clark
2005-04-10 08:14:15 UTC
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Jeff Goldberg
2005-04-10 09:29:31 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Is it possible to change the BP motor to eliminate shifting?
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-04-10 09:36:14 UTC
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Jeff Goldberg
2005-04-10 09:48:03 UTC
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R Rogers
2005-04-10 10:00:34 UTC
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Peter Reilley
2005-04-10 10:15:48 UTC
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Keith Clark
2005-04-10 11:31:45 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-04-10 11:55:03 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-04-10 11:57:26 UTC
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Keith Clark
2005-04-10 19:14:45 UTC
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gary
2005-04-10 19:37:56 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-04-10 20:10:45 UTC
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Keith Clark
2005-04-10 20:44:56 UTC
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Keith Clark
2005-04-10 20:46:02 UTC
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Keith Clark
2005-04-10 20:55:44 UTC
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gary
2005-04-10 21:14:11 UTC
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gary
2005-04-10 21:19:24 UTC
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Dan Mauch
2005-04-11 05:40:12 UTC
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Dan Mauch
2005-04-11 05:50:10 UTC
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R Rogers
2005-04-11 06:09:32 UTC
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Keith Clark
2005-04-11 12:35:39 UTC
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m0nkey0ne
2005-04-11 19:23:27 UTC
Re: Is it possible to change the BP motor to eliminate shifting?