RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches

Yep, got your last, I'll take a look at it this week.. My first thought was
that the E-Stop didn't kill the main power to everything, but I need to
check what happens when you kill the 5V to a Gecko. If it stops dead then
your setup is probably better..

TTYS

PK

------Original Mail------
From: "Jarrett & Heidi Johnson" <hjjohnson@...>
To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:36:12 -0600
Subject: Re: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches

Paul, I've sent a note off-list, just wondering if you'd got it or if
per-chance it got caught by a filter of some sort?

Jarrett

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Kelly
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches





Ok Paul, thats making more sense, however you lost me w/ the last bit.
You hook Pin 1 to 12-24v, you hook pin 3 to grnd [does this have to be
back
at the enclosure

Yep

or just localy to the sensor--like its mounting screw] and pin 4 to the
input/output on the board

but how do I know what size resistor to put between the supply voltage
[wire
to pin 1] and the i/o on the board?

It's not important anything between 1K and 10K will work

I plan to use the G100 and was going to power it w/ a power supply from
CNC4PC [12 and 5 v]

Just as long as you are carefull not to connect directly to your PC and
negate the effect of your optopisolators.

This should be able to power all my limit switches also?
Maybe what I should be doing is a complete wiring diagram of my own and
then
have some of you
fella's that know what your doing look it over.

Not a bad idea, I'd be happy to take a look.

PK

There are other diagram's out there floating around
but none seem to fit my system exactly [ ie these proxy sensors]

Jarrett

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Kelly <tech@... <mailto:tech%40caswa.com> >
Date: Wednesday, July 5, 2006 6:09 am
Subject: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches
> Pin 1 is the supply and is the brown wire
> Pin 4 is the collector and is the brown wire.
> Pin 3 goes to ground and is the blue wire
>
> I doubt pin 2 is connected.
>
> L is the load.
>
> So you would normally connect the blue wire to gnd, the brown wire to
> 12-24VDC, the brown wire to your input and a resistor between your
> input and
> whatever it's supply voltage (5V?) is.
>
> PK
>
>
> _____
>
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DRO@yahoogroups.com
> [CAD_CAM_EDM_ <mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com>
DRO@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jarrett & Heidi
> Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2006 1:53 PM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_ <mailto:CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com>
DRO@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches
>
>
>
> Replying to a old message. Things are progressing,
> I've got some AM1-AN-2Hprox sensor's [their NPN].
> I'm working through the connection of them and
> noticed on the wire diagram here
> http://web6.
> <http://web6.
<http://web6.automationdirect.com/static/specs/prox12mmam.pdf>

automationdirect.com/static/specs/prox12mmam.pdf>automationdirect.com/static
/specs/prox12mmam.pdf
> pg2 diagram 1.
>
> I don't quite follow what BN/1, BK/4=NO, BK/2 &
> BU/3 are.. if I look over to the right side, there
> is a connector showing numbered pin's 1 thru 4 [ I
> assume the / # on the diagram links to these pin
> #'s] I also notice on this little connector pic
> that pin #1 is supply (+) so I can put my 12V in
> here, then I take pin 3 back to Ground [common at
> the enclosure?] I also notice that Pin 4 has [OUT
> NO] beside it, while pin 2 has [OUT NC] beside it,
> does this mean that if I run my wire from pin 2
> back to my input terminal on the B/O or G100 [
> future] this will be my normally closed input [
> always has power coming through it until the
> sensor is tripped].
>
> Back to Diagram 1, [ left side of the page] what
> is the little "L" mean between BN/1 & BK/4 ? I
> recognise the LED's and Diode's on the diagram..
> I'm just not sure what the 'L' means..
>
> Sorry for bringing this up again.. and for the
> amateur questions.. this stuff is fairly Greek to
> me.. :-/
>
> Jarrett Johnson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Kelly" <tech@... <mailto:tech%40caswa.com>
<tech%40caswa.com> >
> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_ <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com>
> DRO@yahoogroups. <mailto:DRO%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches
>
> > Prox switches come in three flavours (with
> > respect to their outputs)
> >
> > 3 wire NPN
> > 3 wire PNP
> > 2 wire
> >
> > Two wire sensors are meant to be wired between
> > 18-24V and the +ve end of an
> > optocoupler LED.
> > They typically pass <1mA when not triggered and
> > >7mA when they are. Whilst
> > simple to wire,
> > They can be tricky to parallel
> >
> > 3 wire PNP types have one wire to ground, one
> > wire to 18-24V (I run min on
> > 12V and they seem fine)
> > And the third gets pulled high when the prox
> > triggers. To wire these to a
> > parallel port you need
> > a 5.1V zenner between the pin and GND and a
> > resistor (a few K) between the
> > pin and the output of the
> > Prox. You only need one of these circuits for
> > each input pin, you then wire
> > all the proxes in parallel
> >
> > 3 wire NPN are the most useful for hobby
> > applications, 1 wire to 18-24, one
> > to GND, and the other to
> > The input pin with a pull up resistor. You can
> > wire multiple NPN 3wire
> > proxes in parallel.
> >
> >
> > PK
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
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> DRO@yahoogroups. <mailto:DRO%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
> >> Behalf Of Jarrett
> >> & Heidi Johnson
> >> Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 9:20 AM
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> DRO@yahoogroups. <mailto:DRO%40yahoogroups.com> com
> >> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox
> >> switches
> >>
> >> I'll most likely end up getting these, I
> >> noticed however that
> >> they are all NO, is there any out there that
> >> are NC?? I was
> >> always under the impression that NC was the
> >> switch of choice
> >> for limit switch's?
> >>
> >> Jarrett
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Robert Campbell"
> >> <bob@campbelldesigns <bob%40campbelldesigns.com> .com>
> >> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_ <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com>
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> >> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:28 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox
> >> switches
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jarrett,
> >> >
> >> > The sensing distance is from the face to the
> >> > object being sensed.
> >> >
> >> > I did some work with Multicam and talked with
> >> > their engineers about
> >> > proximity sensors. 2 mm is the best as it is
> >> > not
> >> > as likely to sense chips or
> >> > other foreign objects. I use 12 mm barrel
> >> > type
> >> > with a quick disconnect
> >> > cable. You do want a quick disconnect as it
> >> > makes is it easy to screw in the
> >> > sensor.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bob Campbell
> >> > Bob Campbell Designs
> >> > www.Campbelldesigns.com
> >> > Mach 2/3 breakout boards
> >> > Relay boards
> >> > Spindle Speed boards
> >> > Stepper motors
> >> > Plasma Torch Height control
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "jerryflyguy" <hjjohnson@sasktel.
> <hjjohnson%40sasktel.net> net>
> >> > To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_ <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com>
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> >> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:17 AM
> >> > Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Prox switches
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Good to know Bob, I've seen the ones at
> >> >> Automation Direct, but
> >> >> figured if I could get these for $10 then
> >> >> it'd
> >> >> be a good move.
> >> >>
> >> >> When they talk about sensing range they are
> >> >> talking about the
> >> >> distance from the face of the unit to the
> >> >> sensing flag or are they
> >> >> talking about the range in which the sensor
> >> >> goes off as the flag
> >> >> pass in front of it. ie; a 30mm range on my
> >> >> x
> >> >> axis would stop the
> >> >> gantry some place in that 30mm but not any
> >> >> more
> >> >> accuratly than that,
> >> >> or does the sensor just have to be w/in the
> >> >> 30mm to see the flag??
> >> >>
> >> >> If a 2mm is better, would a 1mm barrel type
> >> >> be
> >> >> even better?? How
> >> >> accurate should a person expect one of these
> >> >> type sensor's to be?
> >> >> Can I consistantly stop my gantry w/in
> >> >> 0.010"???
> >> >>
> >> >> I was originally thinking some type of
> >> >> mechanical switch, but
> >> >> figured this type of switch might be better
> >> >> since there is no
> >> >> mechanical interaction and nothing should
> >> >> wear
> >> >> out.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Jarrett
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Jarrett,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No, the sensing range is too big. You want
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> sensing range of 2
> >> >> mm. I buy
> >> >>> mine form Automation Direct.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bob Campbell
> >> >>> Bob Campbell Designs
> >> >>> www.Campbelldesigns.com
> >> >>> Mach 2/3 breakout boards
> >> >>> Relay boards
> >> >>> Spindle Speed boards
> >> >>> Stepper motors
> >> >>> Plasma Torch Height control
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "jerryflyguy" <hjjohnson@...>
> >> >>> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_ <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO%40yahoogroups.com>
> DRO@yahoogroups. <mailto:DRO%40yahoogroups.com> com>
> >> >>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:31 AM
> >> >>> Subject: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Prox switches
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Can anyone tell me if these will or will
> >> >>> > not
> >> >>> > work as a prox
> >> >> switch for
> >> >>> > my limit and home switches?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > http://cgi.ebay. <http://cgi.ebay.
<http://cgi.ebay.com/Sick-Inductive-> com/Sick-Inductive-
> Proximity->
> com/Sick-Inductive-Proximity-
> >> >>> >
> Sensor_W0QQitemZ7595054869QQcategoryZ42899QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>>
> >>> >
> >> >>> > You may have to cut and paste that link
> >> >>> > together to make it
> >> >> work. I
> >> >>> > know nothing about these types of
> >> >>> > switches
> >> >>> > so any help offered
> >> >> would
> >> >>> > be appreciated!!
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Thanks
> >> >>> > Jarrett
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
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> > If you wish to post on unlimited OT subjects
> > goto: aol://5863:126/ <aol://5863:126/
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> > NOTICE: ALL POSTINGS TO THIS GROUP BECOME PUBLIC
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