Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Posted by
Mariss Freimanis
on 2006-12-18 08:30:26 UTC
256 microstep drive at 3,000 RPM equals a 2.56 MHz step pulse
frequency.
4,000 line encoder on a 6,000 RPM servo equals a 1.6 MHz step pulse
frequency.
Not all applications are low speed, low resolution.
Mariss
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<lcdpublishing@...> wrote:
frequency.
4,000 line encoder on a 6,000 RPM servo equals a 1.6 MHz step pulse
frequency.
Not all applications are low speed, low resolution.
Mariss
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
<lcdpublishing@...> wrote:
>if
> I can't tell if this is turning into a peeing contest of specs or
> there is some actual merrit to these high rates. Assuming thatthese
> are for machine tool motion control (yes I am well aware of otherthis
> types of motion control) I am failing to see the point.
>
> With a possible frequency in the range of around 2 Mhz or more,
> works out to a pretty fantastic velocity. Assuming a resolutionThe
> of .0001"
>
> 2000000 * .0001 = 200 Inches per second
> 200 * 60 seconds = 12,000 Inches per minute
>
> 12,000 IPM is about 3 times faster than the fastest commercial CNC
> machines on the market, and those use linear motors.
>
> We know that stepper motors have a very finite, useful RPM range.
> steppers I have been toying with recently have a limit of 500 RPM,around
> beyond that torque drops very quickly. Assuming 200 steps per rev,
> the maximum useful frequency is
>
> 200 X 500 RPM = 100000 / 60 = 1666 Steps per second
>
> Even when factoring in microstepping of say 16 microsteps
>
> 1666 * 16 = 26,666 steps per second
>
> Servo motors certianly can run at much higher RPM ranges - many
> 4000 RPM. Putting that into some form of perspective relative toof .0001"
> motion, assuming a .2" pitch screw and a minimum resolution
>handle
> 4000 RPM X .2" = 800 IPM (very fast for most industrial machine)
>
> 800 IPM / .0001" resolution = 8000000 steps per minute
> 8000000 / 60 seconds = 133,333 steps per second
>
> So with the potential of stepping rates into the millions....
>
> A stepper motor doesn't have enough torque at speed nor can it
> that rate of stepping frequency.millions.
>
> A servo motor, driving a relatively fine pitch ball screw at a
> resolution of .0001" doesn't need a stepping frequency in the
>
> Why is there such emphasis put on that level of performance in
> stepping rates?
>
> Chris (Confused as usual)
>
Discussion Thread
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 07:09:10 UTC
Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mariss Freimanis
2006-12-18 08:30:26 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-18 09:00:14 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 09:13:32 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-18 10:14:19 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
caudlet
2006-12-18 10:31:11 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 11:06:01 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mariss Freimanis
2006-12-18 11:20:22 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 11:45:42 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Fred Smith
2006-12-18 11:45:55 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
C.S. Mo
2006-12-18 12:14:34 UTC
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atelierrobin
2006-12-18 12:22:02 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:32:27 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 12:39:43 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:41:58 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:53:38 UTC
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atelierrobin
2006-12-18 12:58:12 UTC
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Mark Vaughan
2006-12-18 13:05:57 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 13:08:38 UTC
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John Dammeyer
2006-12-18 14:20:46 UTC
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Tony Smith
2006-12-18 14:25:18 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 14:33:30 UTC
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Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 14:46:59 UTC
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Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 14:48:02 UTC
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Fred Smith
2006-12-18 15:01:55 UTC
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John Dammeyer
2006-12-18 15:16:54 UTC
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Jon Elson
2006-12-18 20:47:23 UTC
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Jon Elson
2006-12-18 20:47:37 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-19 04:58:10 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 05:15:37 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 05:29:33 UTC
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Jon Elson
2006-12-19 07:59:03 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 08:38:12 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 08:56:42 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 09:46:05 UTC
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optics22000
2006-12-19 10:27:16 UTC
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John Dammeyer
2006-12-19 11:04:49 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 12:06:19 UTC
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Peter Homann
2006-12-19 12:12:22 UTC
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2006-12-19 12:47:34 UTC
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Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?