Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Posted by
lcdpublishing
on 2006-12-18 07:09:10 UTC
I can't tell if this is turning into a peeing contest of specs or if
there is some actual merrit to these high rates. Assuming that these
are for machine tool motion control (yes I am well aware of other
types of motion control) I am failing to see the point.
With a possible frequency in the range of around 2 Mhz or more, this
works out to a pretty fantastic velocity. Assuming a resolution
of .0001"
2000000 * .0001 = 200 Inches per second
200 * 60 seconds = 12,000 Inches per minute
12,000 IPM is about 3 times faster than the fastest commercial CNC
machines on the market, and those use linear motors.
We know that stepper motors have a very finite, useful RPM range. The
steppers I have been toying with recently have a limit of 500 RPM,
beyond that torque drops very quickly. Assuming 200 steps per rev,
the maximum useful frequency is
200 X 500 RPM = 100000 / 60 = 1666 Steps per second
Even when factoring in microstepping of say 16 microsteps
1666 * 16 = 26,666 steps per second
Servo motors certianly can run at much higher RPM ranges - many around
4000 RPM. Putting that into some form of perspective relative to
motion, assuming a .2" pitch screw and a minimum resolution of .0001"
4000 RPM X .2" = 800 IPM (very fast for most industrial machine)
800 IPM / .0001" resolution = 8000000 steps per minute
8000000 / 60 seconds = 133,333 steps per second
So with the potential of stepping rates into the millions....
A stepper motor doesn't have enough torque at speed nor can it handle
that rate of stepping frequency.
A servo motor, driving a relatively fine pitch ball screw at a
resolution of .0001" doesn't need a stepping frequency in the millions.
Why is there such emphasis put on that level of performance in
stepping rates?
Chris (Confused as usual)
there is some actual merrit to these high rates. Assuming that these
are for machine tool motion control (yes I am well aware of other
types of motion control) I am failing to see the point.
With a possible frequency in the range of around 2 Mhz or more, this
works out to a pretty fantastic velocity. Assuming a resolution
of .0001"
2000000 * .0001 = 200 Inches per second
200 * 60 seconds = 12,000 Inches per minute
12,000 IPM is about 3 times faster than the fastest commercial CNC
machines on the market, and those use linear motors.
We know that stepper motors have a very finite, useful RPM range. The
steppers I have been toying with recently have a limit of 500 RPM,
beyond that torque drops very quickly. Assuming 200 steps per rev,
the maximum useful frequency is
200 X 500 RPM = 100000 / 60 = 1666 Steps per second
Even when factoring in microstepping of say 16 microsteps
1666 * 16 = 26,666 steps per second
Servo motors certianly can run at much higher RPM ranges - many around
4000 RPM. Putting that into some form of perspective relative to
motion, assuming a .2" pitch screw and a minimum resolution of .0001"
4000 RPM X .2" = 800 IPM (very fast for most industrial machine)
800 IPM / .0001" resolution = 8000000 steps per minute
8000000 / 60 seconds = 133,333 steps per second
So with the potential of stepping rates into the millions....
A stepper motor doesn't have enough torque at speed nor can it handle
that rate of stepping frequency.
A servo motor, driving a relatively fine pitch ball screw at a
resolution of .0001" doesn't need a stepping frequency in the millions.
Why is there such emphasis put on that level of performance in
stepping rates?
Chris (Confused as usual)
Discussion Thread
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 07:09:10 UTC
Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mariss Freimanis
2006-12-18 08:30:26 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-18 09:00:14 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 09:13:32 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-18 10:14:19 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
caudlet
2006-12-18 10:31:11 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 11:06:01 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mariss Freimanis
2006-12-18 11:20:22 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 11:45:42 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Fred Smith
2006-12-18 11:45:55 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
C.S. Mo
2006-12-18 12:14:34 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
atelierrobin
2006-12-18 12:22:02 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:32:27 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 12:39:43 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:41:58 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:53:38 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
atelierrobin
2006-12-18 12:58:12 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mark Vaughan
2006-12-18 13:05:57 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 13:08:38 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
John Dammeyer
2006-12-18 14:20:46 UTC
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Tony Smith
2006-12-18 14:25:18 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 14:33:30 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 14:46:59 UTC
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Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 14:48:02 UTC
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Fred Smith
2006-12-18 15:01:55 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
John Dammeyer
2006-12-18 15:16:54 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Jon Elson
2006-12-18 20:47:23 UTC
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Jon Elson
2006-12-18 20:47:37 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-19 04:58:10 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 05:15:37 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 05:29:33 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Jon Elson
2006-12-19 07:59:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 08:38:12 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 08:56:42 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 09:46:05 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
optics22000
2006-12-19 10:27:16 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
John Dammeyer
2006-12-19 11:04:49 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 12:06:19 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Peter Homann
2006-12-19 12:12:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] CNCing a 7x12 minilathe
John Dammeyer
2006-12-19 12:47:34 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] CNCing a 7x12 minilathe
David Bloomfield
2006-12-20 04:09:10 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?