Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Posted by
atelierrobin
on 2006-12-18 12:22:02 UTC
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "lcdpublishing"
<lcdpublishing@...> wrote:
It is also how much jitter the pulse train has. While a PC may be able
to reach 45KHZ. The pusle train can have severe jitter if you try to
go just a bit higher and that causes difficulty in building systems
that push the PC's limits and run in production environments even at
bellow 100KHZ.
Having a stable pulse train allows running the same motor/driver/load
combo at higher pulse frequencies without missed steps or stalls in
long production runs. That also applies to hobby use if you make a
part that takes days of machine use like it often happens when using
software such as DeskProto for example.
That is where products such as te ARCNC100 come in. And once you have
solved the jitter issue, it doesn't cost any more to make it go up to
4 MHZ or even 20 MHZ for that matter. Any solution that solves the
jitter issue involves hardware and for hardware, 4 MHZ or 20 MHZ is
pretty much the same ball park.
Patrick Robin
<lcdpublishing@...> wrote:
>It is not only a matter of how high a pulse rate a device can produce.
> No pain felt here, so not sure what you mean by that question.
>
> As for the cost, well, yes it does cost more and that is what I am
> trying to figure out along with a practical application. See, for the
> hobby folks here, they can use a PC with MACH software and a parallel
> port (which is free) and get upwards of 45,000 SPS. On the other hand,
> they could buy one of these new devices and get 45,000 SPS at a price
> of around $500.00 give or take. The 45,000 SPS is in reality beyond
> the need for the vast majority of CNC machines people talk about in
> these forums.
>
> Both of the devices, the GREX and the ARC100 promote some very
> intresting features and performance specs. At first glance I thought
> I might be able to utilize these features but after looking at the
> numbers a bit more closely, I couldn't see a practical application for
> hobby use. So, that got me thinking about commercial applications
> and, well, I just couldn't think of one so I had to ask.
>
> I know from the posts by people in the various groups that there are a
> number of these units out there. What is it that they are building
> that utilizes such amazing performance?
>
> Chris
>
It is also how much jitter the pulse train has. While a PC may be able
to reach 45KHZ. The pusle train can have severe jitter if you try to
go just a bit higher and that causes difficulty in building systems
that push the PC's limits and run in production environments even at
bellow 100KHZ.
Having a stable pulse train allows running the same motor/driver/load
combo at higher pulse frequencies without missed steps or stalls in
long production runs. That also applies to hobby use if you make a
part that takes days of machine use like it often happens when using
software such as DeskProto for example.
That is where products such as te ARCNC100 come in. And once you have
solved the jitter issue, it doesn't cost any more to make it go up to
4 MHZ or even 20 MHZ for that matter. Any solution that solves the
jitter issue involves hardware and for hardware, 4 MHZ or 20 MHZ is
pretty much the same ball park.
Patrick Robin
Discussion Thread
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 07:09:10 UTC
Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mariss Freimanis
2006-12-18 08:30:26 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-18 09:00:14 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 09:13:32 UTC
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turbulatordude
2006-12-18 10:14:19 UTC
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caudlet
2006-12-18 10:31:11 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 11:06:01 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mariss Freimanis
2006-12-18 11:20:22 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 11:45:42 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Fred Smith
2006-12-18 11:45:55 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
C.S. Mo
2006-12-18 12:14:34 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
atelierrobin
2006-12-18 12:22:02 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:32:27 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 12:39:43 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:41:58 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 12:53:38 UTC
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atelierrobin
2006-12-18 12:58:12 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Mark Vaughan
2006-12-18 13:05:57 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 13:08:38 UTC
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John Dammeyer
2006-12-18 14:20:46 UTC
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Tony Smith
2006-12-18 14:25:18 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-12-18 14:33:30 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 14:46:59 UTC
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Leslie Newell
2006-12-18 14:48:02 UTC
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Fred Smith
2006-12-18 15:01:55 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
John Dammeyer
2006-12-18 15:16:54 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Jon Elson
2006-12-18 20:47:23 UTC
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Jon Elson
2006-12-18 20:47:37 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
turbulatordude
2006-12-19 04:58:10 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 05:15:37 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 05:29:33 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Jon Elson
2006-12-19 07:59:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 08:38:12 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
lcdpublishing
2006-12-19 08:56:42 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 09:46:05 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
optics22000
2006-12-19 10:27:16 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
John Dammeyer
2006-12-19 11:04:49 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-12-19 12:06:19 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?
Peter Homann
2006-12-19 12:12:22 UTC
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John Dammeyer
2006-12-19 12:47:34 UTC
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David Bloomfield
2006-12-20 04:09:10 UTC
Re: Why is the push to such high step rates (Grex and Arc100)?