Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: How to convert a Grizzly 1006 Mill to CNC

Hi Hannu
You are a gem.
And I also likes to share the little knowledge that I possesses.
I also discovered what hw setting means, it feels that one should not have
to put that question ( a little embarrassed).
Uhhh, didnt like the idea of buying a new computer again but I can see the
advantages ( I know a better used is also ok)
And I am downloading the knoppix as we speak , sound intresting, maybe one
should go Linux all the way!
And I have to put this postings in some printed version because its really
valueble for me.
I will get back to you with my shopping list for approval, hope thats ok
Per

----- Original Message -----
From: "hannu" <hvenermo@...>
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: How to convert a Grizzly 1006 Mill to CNC


> There are no stupid questions in the world.
>
> A man who asks is one who learns, and one who tells is someone sharing ..
>
> You can ignore the extra ports. Or disable the onboard lpt1 parallel
> port in the pc bios. It wont matter.
>
> This was in my earlier post - mach supports 2 ports maximum. (There are
> ways, but its complex and not worth it for now ...).
> 2 parallel ports is what you need, and it will be plenty.
> You really want a 2 ghz+ machine - because you really, really want to
> run at 60 to 100 khz. The faster it runs, the less jitter you have on
> timing pulses, and the better it works. Really. I would recommend a
> second-hand newish (or new) motherboard - maybe 100-200. Not expensive.
>
> NOT konqueror - my mistake. I´m really sorry. Can´t imagine what I was
> thinking about, I suppose I´m getting old ...
>
> I meant KNOPPIX of course.
> http://www.knoppix.org/
>
> Download the knoppix iso image. Its a bittorrent file, you need utorrent
> to download it. Burn it to cd. But cd in pc. Boots from cd.
>
> It automatically detects all your hardware, and boots into graphical
> windows environment.
> It wont touch your hard drive.
> You need to install nothing.
> Its dead easy, even if you have 0 linux experience.
>
> Just look in the menu for hardware and resources, you can see the real
> io address of any card in the system.
> My experiences have been excellent, even with old hardware.
> You will need this, to see the io address of the parallel port, unless
> the windows driver tells it like it should.
> Mine are dc00 and ec00 for lpt2 and lpt3. Std default ports are 378 and
> 276, iirc.
>
> In mach3, you then configure lpt1 as dc00 and lpt 2 as ec00. thats it.
> Its even easier to do it than write it. No sweat.
>
> A quick google on "pc dual paralllel port card" found this.
> http://www.nextag.com/Lava-Computer-Lava-Dual-63629958/prices-html
> Any cheap pci parallel port card should work.
>
> Its such a cheap item, I don´t even order them from the warehouses, just
> pick one up in nearest neighbourhood pc shop.
>
>
>> Hi Hannu
>> Wow guess you now what your talking about, I really love Rhino and it
>> takes
>> an eternity to get under the skin with maya but I like that to.
>> Rhino is also outstandig in dealing with different file formats so it
>> works
>> really great with Maya except for the problem with mesh vs nurbs but
>> thats a
>> great deal better now with Rhino4.
>> Autocad I only use when I get blueprints from Architects in my work with
>> public commissions (and I agree its no fun app).
>> About the ports:
>> Is mach 3 supporting more then 2 ports and do you think i need more then
>> 2
>> ports for my machine?
>> I have an older cad computer with PIII with win xp and 2 parallel port on
>> it, but I use one for my vinyl-cutter, I have to pull that, if its enough
>> with 2 ports?
>> The problem getting it to work with multiple ports is if you add a second
>> pci card with one or two more ports so you get 3 or 4 parallel ports,
>> right
>> (did I understand that correct)?
>> What is the hw-setting you talk about and where can I find this
>> "konqueror
>> linux live cd" used google but its a browser as I can see it?
>> Does it exist external parallel cards? Stupid question probably.
>> The more I find out the more confused I am getting....
>> Regards
>> Per
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "hannu" <hvenermo@...>
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>> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: How to convert a Grizzly 1006 Mill to
>> CNC
>>
>>
>>
>>> Re: the software sounds really nice.
>>> I´m just beginning to be adequate with rhino , in my opinion - I used to
>>> do studio and tv work with 3d studio, and have worked with catia, 18
>>> years ago ! Have 20 years 3d experience. I have been told by people who
>>> know that maya is really, really good. I have no idea about connecting
>>> it to cam, though.
>>>
>>> For any cnc drawing, rhino is by far the best, in my opinion, as it is
>>> easy fast and accurate, unless you count solidworks. solidworks is very
>>> expensive, but very, very good in parametric, db- linkages, external
>>> program support, industry support etc.
>>>
>>> So, for one-off or series of x parts, rhino. for db based 24x7
>>> production,solidworks. for any freeform, organic type stuff, rhino.
>>> visual mill seems to be easy, i dont yet have experience apart from
>>> demo.
>>>
>>> In my experience / opinion autocad is no good. It can be used by the
>>> desperate, but I would not use it unless I get $$ / hour.
>>>
>>> Mach3 is probably your best bet. Emc2 is good, but you may not want or
>>> need to learn it, and mach hardware support after or beyond 2 parallel
>>> ports is very good. Mach is also quite reliable, for windows software,
>>> better than it should be.
>>>
>>> Re: parallel ports - you have 2 different mails - the consensus, like my
>>> post and opinion, is that its best to get 2 right from the start. You
>>> will definitely get better layout, organization, etc. if you start with
>>> 2 ports. Also, the headache of additional ports with dual-port cards is
>>> smaller.
>>>
>>> There is a very easy way to get pci parallel port cards to work in mach,
>>> no-one has mentioned it on the lists. Boot konqueror linux live cd, look
>>> in hw setting, you get real hw settings. Put it in mach3, and it works.
>>> You need 0 % Linux know-how or experience. Very easy, very reliable.
>>> Several windows drvers/ cards won´t tell you the hw settings, as they
>>> commonly do and are supposed to.
>>>
>>> Also, on one of my interface cards, the onboard parallel port card draws
>>> too much current and the power supply or motherboard cooks. Using a
>>> separate card, it works 100%. Its a hw issue somewhere, but rather than
>>> solve it at 1-8 hours, I just use the dual-pci card. 15 €.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Hannu
>>>> I realized that I didnt answer your question about what software I am
>>>> using.
>>>> For general modeling Rhino4, for more freeform modeling Maya, for cam I
>>>> use
>>>> rhinocam and someother sw that i am testing out.
>>>> I also try to learn Solidworks and Autocad and a bunch more to see what
>>>> works best.
>>>> Been looking towards VisualMill, but if you like some other sw that you
>>>> think would workout pls let me know.
>>>> And for the control of the router I think I go with Mach3 since there
>>>> is
>>>> so
>>>> much people working with it.
>>>> best regards
>>>> Per
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "hannu" <hvenermo@...>
>>>> To: <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: How to convert a Grizzly 1006 Mill
>>>> to
>>>> CNC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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