RE: emc (TOME)

Gar -

As a partial observer, I have to say, you seem to really twist things
around. It sounds like you've got alot of experience at it, too. I think I
remember getting flamed by a "Gar" in a NG a couple months back. I learned
my lesson, and while I'll read the posts, I won't spend more than a few
seconds effort on a response.

Best wishes,
Carlos Guillermo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gar Willis [mailto:garfield@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 9:40 PM
> To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc (TOME)
>
>
> From: garfield@... (Gar Willis)
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:34:53, batwings@... wrote:
>
> >>this "Linux...why bother" thread yous guys started. In EACH case, the
> >>proponents seem to be someone who's announced themselves as having
> >>products to sell or plans thereof.
> >
> >That's a bit of a rash generalization and quite an exaggeration. For one
> >thing I didn't say anything like that, just a question on why. And as for
> >products to sell, I sure see others in here with those, who support linux
> >and emc. Our friend Darrell is one, no? So if commercialism is the
> >objection, you need to paint with a much broader brush.
>
> Ya know, I think you might have your batwings a bit askew on this one.
> "commercialization" isn't the issue, methinks. It's "collaboration". In
> your response to Jon's post, you acknowledge the satisfaction that one
> gets from the "development process", if I may be allowed the
> generalization, albeit perhaps "rash". Heh. But ya know what? One thing
> I see NOTABLY missing in your solilloquy about the joys of development
> is anything about COMRADERY and COLLABORATING. You say you enjoy not
> being "limited by anyone's concepts but your own". Gee, how come I don't
> see anything written there about how you enjoyed the collaboration of
> developing and exchangine ideas with others, during the development, so
> that when it was done, you could all raise your glasses and 'ave a
> pint'. Not your cupOtea, I wager. No surprise.
>
> Oh sure, you're happy to hang out and suck up whatever insights you
> might gain from us mere proletariates putzing along, and refer to those
> of us who don't do obeisance to your august majesty as the 'twit-mill",
> but you started out in this group with ONE intention, and that was to
> tell everyone you were some kinda "higher lifeform". Well, buddy, I'm
> still thinkin guano is more like it.
>
> >I hadthat invite in inmbx over two months ago, and by any standard my
> >joining a few days ago that wasn't jumping right in on financial
> >opportunity.
>
> Again, you're the one lumping motives and assumptions together. I don't
> give a whit if you joined for financial opportunity or not. That much
> I'm afraid is becoming perfectly clear. But this "invite" I'd sure like
> to STILL hear more about how someone else suggesting you join means one
> tiny iota of significance or importance to ANYONE else in this group. So
> answer THAT one first, eh? Even if the list manager himself suggested
> you drop in, I can only think at this point he's more lamenting that,
> than patting himself on the back.
>
> >You do have to admit the setting up linux/emc seems to be
> >difficult and tedious and a question about the motives for
> pursuing that is
> >a natural one.
>
> I think this one sentence speaks tomes about YOU/your odd mindset. You
> somehow equate difficulty of an endeavor with "questions about motives
> for pursuing the course". How in the hell do you possibly arrive at THAT
> connection. You've stated it now at least two-three times, verbatim; I
> don't get it. And I suspect you've left everyone else in the lurch as
> well, Sherlock. Why don't you just enlighten the rest of us benighted
> souls as to why you would ever even THINK to raise a question about
> "motives for pursuing", unless you figure we're all so damn lazy that
> we'd blanch at the first sign of difficulties, and run to some "savior"
> vendor who's gonna make it all nice and comfy for us. Unless you of
> course wished to draw a not-so-covert comparison between your own wares
> and EMC? Heh.
>
> >I managed to straightforwardly install all my hardware and software, made
> >all connections, booted and ran. I was making chips within ten minutes of
> >my first power-up. That was my main objective and it was simple
> to achieve.
> >If anyone has ever done that with emc and linux I'd like to hear
> about it.
> >And certainly if that's not likely nobody can be blamed for seeking or
> >mentioning alternatives.
>
> Oooops. Well ya know, I've looked at your web page, and danged if I
> didn't see anything there to suggest I just forget about EMC and follow
> after you. Maybe you don't have all the special salza you imagine is
> just so patently obvious to everyone. Could that be?
>
> >>time someone tells me they "participate in a number of forums and always
> >>offer best advice", I wonder if that fellow doesn't have a rather
> >>enlarged view of himself.
> >
> >Yes well when someone questions what a fellow does elsewhere, who has no
> >idea what that really is, I always wonder if that fellow isn't merely
> >hypercritical. And when I join a list and get flames from
> several folks on
> >posting my very first question, I do wonder about their purposes: whether
> >all that is to share info as you claim is the object, or to deal in
> >discomfort.
>
> We have a saying in aviation; "check yer six". I'd humbly suggest that
> the reception you received is almost totally due to the source. In this
> case, the "six" is the exhaust you leave behind you.
>
> >No but it does give reason for you to not wonder about my
> ulterior motives.
> >I'll add to that that no matter whether you accept that or not, your
> >sarcasm is based on false assumption and is flames itself.
>
> Rubbish, YOU mentioned the vaunted "invitation". I merely said "so
> what?". In fact, when someone flashes their Photoshop Deluxe made
> "invitation" in my face at the entrance to an otherwise come-as-you-are
> party, the first this I wonder IS "ulterior motives". If you weren't so
> unsure of your being just one of the guys on this list, and content with
> that, why the hell would you flaunt some phantom "special invitation".
> Whatja get, something in a cereal box that mentioned this list? Heh.
>
> >Not to knock linux of which I know nothing, but that's true of any
> >programming environment with open source. But I think you're heading off
> >into the grandiose, no?
>
> Well well, you at least admit you know nuthing about Linux. Good start;
> just a tad late. Listening for a while to the tenor of the group might
> have been another good start.
>
> If you're such a down2earth kinda guy, and feel my statements are
> "grandiose" perhaps you'd like to mention just ONE other open
> programming environment where both the OpSys, the RT Kernel, AND the CAM
> software are ALL available in source. I'll be waiting here for your
> "down2earth" reply, ace. Take your time.
>
> >My visions led me in entirely different direction. Have you no
> alternative
> >vision?
>
> Not when I see your kinda personalized ballsNchains written all over
> them. That's no vision, that's a nightmare. It's yours. Enjoy. You're
> dead right, I'm heading in another direction, largely away from bloated
> egos like yourself.
>
> >... I didn't, you know, just asked what made the agony worthwhile.
> >
> >>ignore
> >>it and start some thread on what YOU think is so much more important.
> >
> >Yeah, not to stir the pot but when I asked a question about linux someone
> >told me to start my own I-LPT ML. And I let it pass. Why don't you do the
> >same? <=read that again, please.
>
> Nope, see that's your snot-nosed attitude showing thru again. You DID
> NOT "just ask", you rather insinuated "why bother". I wasn't the only
> one to pick up on your spin on that. I've read it several times. It took
> me a few times thru the arrogance to decide to even bother to respond to
> your "guano".
>
> Sayonara, sucker.
>
> Gar
>
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