Re: emc (TOME)

Gar,

Very well put. Ought to say something that with all the commercial
products out there, folks are willing to spend the time to learn
something new, and make something that is still evolving, work for them.
Lots more pride and satisfaction in that, than popping in and disk and
typing a:install
I have been reading about Hoyt's software in various places for some
time and even inquired about the demo. However I'm at the commercial end
of the spectrum here, time IS money, and I want the most power and speed
I can get for my limited bucks. EMC and scrounged servos offer that, and
I'll dink with the software late at night until it's working. When I get
to making chips, I want to be able to use the G-codes I know and the
hundred or so programs I've already got. (for the record, I'm presently
running Ah-ha)

Something I would love to see, would be a PC or Linux based program that
duplicated the fill-in-the-blanks approach of Proto-Trak and such, and
generate standard G-code.
This seems like a perfect brewing ground for input/ideas and beta
testers, and I rather suspect there would be a significant commercial
potential.

Anyone?


Jon


Gar Willis wrote:

>
> From: garfield@... (Gar Willis)
>
> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:53:46, batwings@... wrote:
>
> >>From: "Darrell Gehlsen" <darrell@...>
> >>
> >>Hoyts real question:
> >>Why do you guys insist on using free software when you could be buying it
> >>from me?
>
> >The questions was a real one. It wasn't motivated by a desire to sell
> >anyone anything. I'm in here by direct invitation, by someone who knows the
> >subject to be interesting to me. I participate in a number of forums and
> >always offer best advice in them. You OTOH havn't as far as I can see
> >offered any insights at all or even asked a reasonable question. Your only
> >purpose was it looks like to flame me. The above will be the last note of
> >yours that I ever have to decide to TRASH by hand, think about that. Goodbye!!
>
> Your choice, of course, but aside from the terse sarcasm (which EVERY
> vendor in the US anyway has to learn to live with, and rightly so), I
> have to side with the suspicions raised by the people in the fore on
> this "Linux...why bother" thread yous guys started. In EACH case, the
> proponents seem to be someone who's announced themselves as having
> products to sell or plans thereof. And just to add fuel to the fire, any
> time someone tells me they "participate in a number of forums and always
> offer best advice", I wonder if that fellow doesn't have a rather
> enlarged view of himself. Just a personal observation learned over time.
> And by the way, in a public forum like this, what the hell do you mean
> by saying you're "in here by direct invitation". If someone suggested
> you join in, how does that make YOU some kind of higher lifeform? That
> sentence and the one following it, lauding your own advice, say
> mountains about your assumed self-importance and self-worth.
>
> When I read the "Linux/EMC is toooo hard" thread when it started, I kept
> hearing this subliminal message something to the tune of "why are you
> guys struggling with Linux & EMC, why not let the 'experts' do that for
> you". Something like that. The one guy that suggested someone should
> burn a universal CD that would work slam-dunk, which he'd be happy to
> pay for?... I thot of the old phrase we used to use on our managers, "if
> someone says to you, I want software I can just plug into any computer
> and play without difficulty, hand them a lollipop". Heh.
>
> But enough of the sarcasm; let's get serious. I'll tell ya why I'm DEAD
> SUSPICIOUS of anyone saying "Linux/EMC is too hard, let's let the
> WindozMT (oops, meant NT :) & Commercial CAD/CAM vendors do it for us".
> Because I think the BIGGEST thing underlying Linux AND EMC together in
> spades is CONTROL of our destinies thru *accessible* KNOWLEDGE. With
> Linux and EMC, all that's keeping any one of us from being in near
> complete control of bug fixing and basically our OpSys and CAM
> programming destiny, not to mention a free/great/deep education in the
> process, is our own native interest and intelligence. NO FRIGGIN "trade
> secrets" crap and boy's club barriers. THIS I consider nothing short of
> a MAJOR revolution. Now certainly it doesn't TAKE that depth of plunge
> to just USE these tools, but that's the depth of it's POTENTIAL.
>
> In the early days of computing (yeah, my first was an IBM 1620),
> everyone I think actually believed there needed to be a Hitler to keep
> everything compatible, and without the equivalent of the Gates of Hell
> to keep everyone "inside", pandemonium would ensue. We should have had
> more confidence in ourselves, frankly. What drives people to collaborate
> and agree on standards (whether it be Linux or EMC) IS the desire for
> ease of use and interchangeability. That's a NATURAL drive/urge; we
> don't need some "Gawd" imposing their "benign dictators" will on us in
> order to make that happen. Obviously Linux has (and will have) it's
> genetic deviants, but has this caused the whole effort to dissolve into
> undifferentiated pond slime? I trow not. Successful adaptation and the
> coalescence of many able collaborators is what drives and feeds the main
> artery.
>
> In sum, I thot Linux's emergence was miracle enough in this age of
> magesterially authoritative 'entremanurial' dominance, but the existence
> of such a stellar piece of work as EMC coupled up with Linux, is just
> WAY too magnificent an opportunity of the first order in this just
> barely emerging age of computerized mechanization, to let some piddling
> concerns about a few problem parts configurations causing some tantrums,
> get in the way. Good gawd, men, stand back and look at the FUTURE
> potential of things like Linux and EMC. Have you no vision?
>
> I'll put it to ya simply; when you have the source code you're no longer
> a slave to anyone/anything but your own sloth. And when a bunch of
> people of similar notion collaborate together, such a voluntary
> consortium, like this group as an example, has just *enormous*
> potential.
>
> And if you complain there's currently too much LinuxEMC traffic, ignore
> it and start some thread on what YOU think is so much more important.
> But of course, if it happens that your pet subject get's little
> response, I DO hope you'll be the gentleman and take a hint.
>
> Gar
>
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