RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Posted by
Kevin Martin
on 2003-12-11 16:18:35 UTC
I may not be able to explain exactly *why*, but I have to disagree with you,
ballendo...
If the two cross-axes of the U-joint are in the same plane the joint can
flex in any direction without any change in "length", which is the same
motion as you would get with a ball joint whose centre was where the U-joint
cross-axes met.
What a U-joint does *not* give you is smooth transmission of *rotary* motion
as one shaft of the joint rotates the other.
And of course, a U-joint it really two joints in series, so has twice the
play of a ball joint built to the same clearances.
It is difficult to tell from the photos whether the U-joints satisfy the
above geometry; at first glance they appear to.
I am actually not convinced that having extended u-joints (where the
cross-axes are not coplanar) produces more degrees of freedom either,
although it does complicate the positioning math, and may increase the
effects of play and frame flex. I have certainly seen photos of commercial
hexapods which do not use ball joints (not that I would be able to find one
now).
-Kevin Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: ballendo [mailto:ballendo@...]
[...]
The u-joints you've used are creating the problem. You need a ball
joint at the end of the struts. Definitely at the table end; I'm not
positive if you'll need them at the upper ends (but I am positive
that without them at the upper ends you'll lose some accuracy)
ballendo...
If the two cross-axes of the U-joint are in the same plane the joint can
flex in any direction without any change in "length", which is the same
motion as you would get with a ball joint whose centre was where the U-joint
cross-axes met.
What a U-joint does *not* give you is smooth transmission of *rotary* motion
as one shaft of the joint rotates the other.
And of course, a U-joint it really two joints in series, so has twice the
play of a ball joint built to the same clearances.
It is difficult to tell from the photos whether the U-joints satisfy the
above geometry; at first glance they appear to.
I am actually not convinced that having extended u-joints (where the
cross-axes are not coplanar) produces more degrees of freedom either,
although it does complicate the positioning math, and may increase the
effects of play and frame flex. I have certainly seen photos of commercial
hexapods which do not use ball joints (not that I would be able to find one
now).
-Kevin Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: ballendo [mailto:ballendo@...]
[...]
The u-joints you've used are creating the problem. You need a ball
joint at the end of the struts. Definitely at the table end; I'm not
positive if you'll need them at the upper ends (but I am positive
that without them at the upper ends you'll lose some accuracy)
Discussion Thread
Simon M. Arthur
2003-12-09 06:56:50 UTC
Hexapod question
Jon Elson
2003-12-09 09:40:28 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Hexapod question
Graham Stabler
2003-12-09 11:37:45 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Graham Stabler
2003-12-09 11:45:25 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Kevin Martin
2003-12-09 13:23:54 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Hexapod question
Simon M. Arthur
2003-12-09 21:55:33 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Simon M. Arthur
2003-12-09 21:55:34 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Graham Stabler
2003-12-10 05:07:25 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Ray Henry
2003-12-10 05:43:54 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Asim Khan
2003-12-10 06:32:58 UTC
EMC related Question G54 G55,... and use of 5241, 5242, 5243 variables [asimtec]
Tim
2003-12-10 08:38:43 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Madhu Annapragada
2003-12-10 09:13:24 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Mariss Freimanis
2003-12-10 10:03:33 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Carl Mikkelsen
2003-12-10 10:38:13 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Jon Elson
2003-12-10 10:59:20 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Chuck Knight
2003-12-10 11:00:07 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Hexapod question
Jon Elson
2003-12-10 11:03:17 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Chuck Knight
2003-12-10 11:47:04 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Carl Mikkelsen
2003-12-10 13:10:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Hexapod question
industrialhobbies
2003-12-10 14:08:30 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Jon Elson
2003-12-10 14:59:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] EMC related Question G54 G55,... and use of 5241, 5242, 5243 variables [asimtec]
Graham Stabler
2003-12-10 15:31:11 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Simon M. Arthur
2003-12-10 15:34:45 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Paul
2003-12-10 16:42:46 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Richard L. Wurdack
2003-12-10 17:27:51 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Harvey White
2003-12-10 18:45:58 UTC
Re: [cad-cam] [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Simon M. Arthur
2003-12-10 19:07:39 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Ray Henry
2003-12-10 22:43:36 UTC
Re: Re: Hexapod question
Jon Elson
2003-12-11 03:55:25 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Ray Henry
2003-12-11 06:52:18 UTC
Re: Re: Re: Hexapod question
alex
2003-12-11 07:32:39 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Re: Re: Hexapod question
ballendo
2003-12-11 11:48:35 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Jon Elson
2003-12-11 14:43:33 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Re: Re: Hexapod question
Kevin Martin
2003-12-11 16:18:35 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
afaIII
2003-12-11 18:12:22 UTC
Re: Hexapod question (joints)
alex
2003-12-11 18:37:32 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Re: Re: Hexapod question
Graham Stabler
2003-12-11 19:11:43 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Raymond Heckert
2003-12-11 20:46:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
industrialhobbies
2003-12-11 21:09:05 UTC
Re: Hexapod question (joints)
Don Rogers
2003-12-11 23:11:54 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Graham Stabler
2003-12-12 02:29:01 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Indy123456
2003-12-12 05:18:32 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
ballendo
2003-12-12 06:41:38 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
ballendo
2003-12-12 06:42:22 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
ballendo
2003-12-12 06:42:31 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
ballendo
2003-12-12 06:42:55 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
ballendo
2003-12-12 06:42:56 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
afaIII
2003-12-12 07:31:08 UTC
Re: Hexapod question
Raymond Heckert
2003-12-12 18:07:07 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Ray Henry
2003-12-13 06:56:21 UTC
Re: Re: Hexapod question
cadcracker@l...
2003-12-13 12:49:33 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
Dave Dillabough
2003-12-15 13:24:20 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Hexapod question
doug98105
2003-12-15 16:23:07 UTC
Re: Hexapod question