Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Knee for z-axis control? pnuematic actuator
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2004-09-22 21:34:09 UTC
Stephen Wille Padnos wrote:
and a relieving-type regulator. Every time the knee is lowered, the
pressure
in the cylinder rises, and the regulator lets a pffft of air out to maintain
pressure. When the knee goes up, air is needed from the compressor.
If the cylinder were hooked to a closed accumulator system, the accumulator
would need to have something like 10 x the volume swept by the cylinder to
keep the pressure change small. For instance, with a 4" cylinder
experiencing
a travel of 17", that would sweep .124 Cu-Ft. If the accumulator had a
volume of 1.24 Cu-Ft, the pressure would vary from, say, 5 Bar absolute
at the
top to 5.5 Bar at the bottom. Assuming you had a 754 Lb knee that was
perfectly balanced at the top of stroke, it would have an additional 7% Lb
of support at the bottom. So, it seems you don't need a real big
accumulator
at all. With a totally closed system, if the cylinder slowly lost air
as the
seal wore, you wouldn't know anyting was wrong until the servo faulted
out on an upward move. (Well, I guess you'd put a pressure gauge in
it, and you could even hook a pressure switch to the E-stop chain.)
Jon
>Are those calculations for a knee that's driven by air, or for one thatThe system Bridgeport uses in the Series-II CNC machines is a cylinder
>just has an air "spring" to reduce the load on a servo motor? In a
>cylinder/accumulator system, do you lose the air from the piston when
>it's moved? I would think that a sealed shock absorber-like system
>would be best for the servo/spring combination. (I thought that was
>what the question was)
>
>
and a relieving-type regulator. Every time the knee is lowered, the
pressure
in the cylinder rises, and the regulator lets a pffft of air out to maintain
pressure. When the knee goes up, air is needed from the compressor.
If the cylinder were hooked to a closed accumulator system, the accumulator
would need to have something like 10 x the volume swept by the cylinder to
keep the pressure change small. For instance, with a 4" cylinder
experiencing
a travel of 17", that would sweep .124 Cu-Ft. If the accumulator had a
volume of 1.24 Cu-Ft, the pressure would vary from, say, 5 Bar absolute
at the
top to 5.5 Bar at the bottom. Assuming you had a 754 Lb knee that was
perfectly balanced at the top of stroke, it would have an additional 7% Lb
of support at the bottom. So, it seems you don't need a real big
accumulator
at all. With a totally closed system, if the cylinder slowly lost air
as the
seal wore, you wouldn't know anyting was wrong until the servo faulted
out on an upward move. (Well, I guess you'd put a pressure gauge in
it, and you could even hook a pressure switch to the E-stop chain.)
Jon
Discussion Thread
pondindustrial
2004-09-15 13:23:00 UTC
Knee for z-axis control?
Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-09-15 14:30:51 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
R Rogers
2004-09-15 16:12:20 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
Fred Smith
2004-09-15 17:04:51 UTC
Re: Knee for z-axis control?
pondindustrial
2004-09-15 17:39:16 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-15 18:26:44 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-15 18:42:28 UTC
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Jon Elson
2004-09-15 19:30:43 UTC
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Jon Elson
2004-09-15 19:36:59 UTC
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Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-09-15 19:58:29 UTC
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Peter Renolds
2004-09-15 20:15:24 UTC
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Peter Renolds
2004-09-15 20:47:19 UTC
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Jon Elson
2004-09-15 22:13:50 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-16 07:48:14 UTC
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2004-09-16 13:28:03 UTC
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2004-09-16 14:29:13 UTC
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2004-09-17 09:29:02 UTC
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Re: Knee for z-axis control? pnuematic actuator
Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-09-22 18:38:07 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Knee for z-axis control? pnuematic actuator
Jon Elson
2004-09-22 21:34:09 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-23 09:25:11 UTC
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Peter Renolds
2004-09-23 17:43:48 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-23 19:25:59 UTC
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volitan712003
2004-09-23 19:27:38 UTC
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Peter Renolds
2004-09-24 05:24:01 UTC
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