Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
Posted by
Stephen Wille Padnos
on 2004-09-15 14:30:51 UTC
pondindustrial wrote:
I'm not an expert, but I'm also starting a Bridgeport retrofit, and have
thought about powering the knee as well.
I'm not sure a counterweight system would work. You'd need a cable that
goes over the top of the machine or something - this would probably get
in the way of the machining envelope.
I haven't seen ballscrews for this purpose. Not that they don't exist,
I just haven't seen them. I'm sure you could get a custom screw made
(or turn the correct ends if you have a lathe). The thing about the
knee is that it uses a 10TPI screw because of the weight. If you think
about the load, you have a 150lb saddle, a 225 pound table, a 50 pound
vise, and possibly a 50-150 pound rotary table - that's about 500-600
pounds before you put a workpiece on it. Add the knee, which is
probably 400-500 pounds, and that's one heck of a load. As far as I've
seen (and from what I can figure out), you would need a pretty thick
ballscrew - like the X/Y screws, which are 1.25" diameter. I haven't
seen ballscrews that thick with more than 5TPI.
As for pros and cons, I can't think of any pros other than the fact that
you have a power feed on the knee :) As for cons, the quill is meant to
be used for depth control, and is much less massive.
Hope this helps.
- Steve
>Hi all,Hi there.
>
>I will be retrofitting my Bridgeport mill soon and know that some
>have used the knee for z-axis control. Does anyone here have any
>experience with this method? If so, what should I take into
>consideration if I decide to go this route? The mill has a 9" X 48"
>bed.
>
>Is a counterweight to offset some of the lifting load preferable?
>Did you use the original acme screw/nut, or retro with a ballscrew?
>What would be a reasonably sufficient drive in terms of motor torque
>and gear reduction?
>What are the pros & cons of using the knee opposed to the quill?
>
>
>Thanks, Eric
>
>
I'm not an expert, but I'm also starting a Bridgeport retrofit, and have
thought about powering the knee as well.
I'm not sure a counterweight system would work. You'd need a cable that
goes over the top of the machine or something - this would probably get
in the way of the machining envelope.
I haven't seen ballscrews for this purpose. Not that they don't exist,
I just haven't seen them. I'm sure you could get a custom screw made
(or turn the correct ends if you have a lathe). The thing about the
knee is that it uses a 10TPI screw because of the weight. If you think
about the load, you have a 150lb saddle, a 225 pound table, a 50 pound
vise, and possibly a 50-150 pound rotary table - that's about 500-600
pounds before you put a workpiece on it. Add the knee, which is
probably 400-500 pounds, and that's one heck of a load. As far as I've
seen (and from what I can figure out), you would need a pretty thick
ballscrew - like the X/Y screws, which are 1.25" diameter. I haven't
seen ballscrews that thick with more than 5TPI.
As for pros and cons, I can't think of any pros other than the fact that
you have a power feed on the knee :) As for cons, the quill is meant to
be used for depth control, and is much less massive.
Hope this helps.
- Steve
Discussion Thread
pondindustrial
2004-09-15 13:23:00 UTC
Knee for z-axis control?
Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-09-15 14:30:51 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
R Rogers
2004-09-15 16:12:20 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
Fred Smith
2004-09-15 17:04:51 UTC
Re: Knee for z-axis control?
pondindustrial
2004-09-15 17:39:16 UTC
Re: Knee for z-axis control?
R Rogers
2004-09-15 18:26:44 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Knee for z-axis control?
R Rogers
2004-09-15 18:42:28 UTC
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Jon Elson
2004-09-15 19:30:43 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
Jon Elson
2004-09-15 19:36:59 UTC
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Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-09-15 19:58:29 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Knee for z-axis control?
Peter Renolds
2004-09-15 20:15:24 UTC
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Peter Renolds
2004-09-15 20:47:19 UTC
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Jon Elson
2004-09-15 22:13:50 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-16 07:48:14 UTC
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2004-09-16 13:28:03 UTC
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Bob Muse
2004-09-16 14:29:13 UTC
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2004-09-16 15:00:14 UTC
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2004-09-16 16:12:39 UTC
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2004-09-16 16:33:14 UTC
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2004-09-16 16:35:58 UTC
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2004-09-16 16:59:50 UTC
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2004-09-17 00:38:57 UTC
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pondindustrial
2004-09-17 09:29:02 UTC
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Fred Smith
2004-09-17 09:44:33 UTC
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2004-09-17 11:42:04 UTC
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2004-09-17 12:43:35 UTC
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R Rogers
2004-09-17 13:11:29 UTC
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2004-09-17 14:24:48 UTC
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2004-09-17 15:03:05 UTC
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Paul
2004-09-17 16:45:37 UTC
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2004-09-17 17:19:03 UTC
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Brian
2004-09-17 18:04:00 UTC
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2004-09-17 19:43:11 UTC
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Stephen Wille Padnos
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2004-09-22 21:34:09 UTC
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Peter Renolds
2004-09-23 17:43:48 UTC
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2004-09-23 19:25:59 UTC
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2004-09-23 19:27:38 UTC
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2004-09-24 05:24:01 UTC
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