Re: Plasma table gear reduction
Posted by
turbulatordude
on 2004-12-21 11:47:11 UTC
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "metlmunchr"
<metlmunchr@y...> wrote:
only the conductive heat paths of the ends of the shaft. Pully and
encoder.
The rest of the motor has a only the bolts holding the coils in place
as the conductive heat path. The case gets hot from radiated heat.
It would be a simple matter of drilling a few holes and adding a
blower and filter to force circulate air.
But.... what I am hearing is that Servos are considderably harder to
use than Steppers although they do have some advatages.
I don't mind making a work-around for this or that, but it seems that
adapting servos to a gear rack gantry is mostly compromises.
Dave
<metlmunchr@y...> wrote:
>killer -
>
> --- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "turbulatordude"
> <dave_mucha@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > The big problem with running servos slow is heat. For the same
> > output
> > > power if you halve the speed you double the torque required.
> > Current is
> > > proportional to torque so the current doubles. Now for the
> > theslower
> > > heat squares! (heat = I^2 * R). To make matters worse the
> > theany
> > > armature turns, the less effective the cooling is.
> > >
> > > Les
> >
> > I don't see that as a problem. An external fan would suppliment
> > low speed heating problem. But then knowing to solve a problemis
> > half the battle !far
>
> An external fan won't necessarily take care of that. Due to the
> I(squared) function, doubling the current results in 4X the heat
> generation. Heat transfer functions are complex, non-linear, and
> beyond the scope of discussion here, but suffice it to say that,armature
> essentially, the amount of heat transferred to the outer surface of
> the motor is a function of the temperature gradient from the
> to the outer case surface.elevated
> The only way to keep that higher
> temperature gradient is by allowing the armature to run at an
> temperature (which it will for sure). The problem lies in the factfan
> that it won't run that way for long. Large DC spindle motors, etc
> which have to be able to run heavily loaded at a fraction of their
> design speed most always incorporate positive pressure centrifugal
> systems for forced air cooling of the motor internals as part of theSo, the armature (all the stuff spinning and the shaft also) have
> motor itself. You have to be able to cool at the source of heat
> generation, because there is no direct path for conductive transfer
> (the most effective means of heat transfer) from the armature to the
> case surface.
only the conductive heat paths of the ends of the shaft. Pully and
encoder.
The rest of the motor has a only the bolts holding the coils in place
as the conductive heat path. The case gets hot from radiated heat.
It would be a simple matter of drilling a few holes and adding a
blower and filter to force circulate air.
But.... what I am hearing is that Servos are considderably harder to
use than Steppers although they do have some advatages.
I don't mind making a work-around for this or that, but it seems that
adapting servos to a gear rack gantry is mostly compromises.
Dave
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2004-12-21 12:38:27 UTC
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2004-12-27 11:04:36 UTC
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2004-12-27 23:19:24 UTC
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2004-12-28 05:31:28 UTC
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2004-12-28 08:41:34 UTC
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2004-12-28 09:52:22 UTC
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