Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2001-09-10 11:15:47 UTC
mariss92705@... wrote:
goes open loop - a discontinuity. The only fix is to make the
encoder resolution high enough so that the error is too small to
be a problem, or find a way to keep the loop closed all the time.
as long as it rarely gets into the deadband during continuous motion.
If it passes through the deadband during continuous motion (maybe
do to a small discontinuity in the mechanical system) that could cause
an amplification of the little bump into a big bump.
make great tachs, and there are a lot of them floating around.
Jon
> Jon,Of course. between steps, when moving slowly, or not at all, it
>
> It dithers in the absence of a tach simply because there is no
> feedback from the encoder except on the edges. A PID servo has no
> other option because of the integrator term.
goes open loop - a discontinuity. The only fix is to make the
encoder resolution high enough so that the error is too small to
be a problem, or find a way to keep the loop closed all the time.
> My solution is to knock the proportional and differential co-A deadband. yet another discontinuity! Maybe this isn't so bad,
> efficients (gain and damping) down to 5% of set value when the servo
> is within +/- 2 counts of the command position. The interal co-
> efficient is dominant within this range, so this is very effective.
as long as it rarely gets into the deadband during continuous motion.
If it passes through the deadband during continuous motion (maybe
do to a small discontinuity in the mechanical system) that could cause
an amplification of the little bump into a big bump.
> Most inexpensive motors are not equipped with tachs, so it tells youYes. I just added tachs to motors that lacked them. Maxon motors
> which way technology is trending these days. Though not perfect, a
> motor and encoder sans tach gets you within 99.9% of perfect with a
> modern drive.
make great tachs, and there are a lot of them floating around.
Jon
Discussion Thread
mariss92705@y...
2001-09-05 22:26:01 UTC
G320s, New and Improved!
Jon Elson
2001-09-06 10:35:58 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] G320s, New and Improved!
machines@n...
2001-09-06 13:58:17 UTC
Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Jon Elson
2001-09-06 17:44:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
mariss92705@y...
2001-09-06 18:03:23 UTC
Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Jon Elson
2001-09-06 22:28:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Drew Rogge
2001-09-07 10:52:24 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] G320s, New and Improved!
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2001-09-07 11:04:42 UTC
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Tim
2001-09-07 11:17:41 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] G320s, New and Improved!
mariss92705@y...
2001-09-07 19:06:31 UTC
Re: G320s, New and Improved!
M. SHABBIR
2001-09-08 10:04:36 UTC
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Tim Goldstein
2001-09-09 16:26:27 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
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Re: G320s, New and Improved!
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2001-09-09 19:41:56 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Jon Elson
2001-09-09 21:43:54 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Tim Goldstein
2001-09-09 21:58:44 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
mariss92705@y...
2001-09-10 00:08:28 UTC
Re: G320s, New and Improved!
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Re: G320s, New and Improved!
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2001-09-10 00:46:26 UTC
Re: G320s, New and Improved!
Jon Elson
2001-09-10 11:15:47 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
machines@n...
2001-09-10 12:18:24 UTC
Open Letter to Mariss
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2001-09-10 21:17:28 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: G320s, New and Improved!
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