Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: emc with camtronics more help please
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2001-12-11 10:15:32 UTC
bgroover1 wrote:
then it is mechanical. If not, then it is the inch -> mm -> inch
conversion. I certainly don't have such a problem on my servo
system, I can make individual moves down to .0001" with no trouble
at all. My X and Y axes have .00005" encoder resolution, the Z
is .000025". I can't get reliable table movement in .0001" steps,
due to stick-slip friction, but the motors and leadscrews do make
the move pretty reliably. (These numbers are not typos.)
steps at the high end, or just couldn't reach a rapid feed rate you
were happy with, I could understand blaming the computer. But,
in the slow range, the computer speed is not an issue. Can you
really make .001" moves with complete reliability of table motion?
You don't mention your machine type, so I can't tell whether it is
reasonable to expect that or not.
The real test is if positions are repeatable. If you can make these
moves, observe positions being skipped, and then return to the
same point, you just have roundoff in positioning. If you CAN'T
return to the same position, then steps are actually being lost,
which is a completely different problem. One of the ways this
happens is violating the rules for setup and hold time on the
change of the direction signal into the stepper driver.
Jon
> Good suggestion, but it happends on all 3 axis and I've checked theSo, when you command the move, does it click or not? If yes,
> pulleys and hardware. I don't change direction when I'm testing the
> steps to take backlash out of the picture. I run the machine down to
> where you can hear each step and it makes no difference.
then it is mechanical. If not, then it is the inch -> mm -> inch
conversion. I certainly don't have such a problem on my servo
system, I can make individual moves down to .0001" with no trouble
at all. My X and Y axes have .00005" encoder resolution, the Z
is .000025". I can't get reliable table movement in .0001" steps,
due to stick-slip friction, but the motors and leadscrews do make
the move pretty reliably. (These numbers are not typos.)
> I'm thinkingI can't believe it is insufficient computer speed. If you were losing
> this is either an emc setup problem or a not enough computer
> problem. This setup works reliably with dos and windows demo
> software.
steps at the high end, or just couldn't reach a rapid feed rate you
were happy with, I could understand blaming the computer. But,
in the slow range, the computer speed is not an issue. Can you
really make .001" moves with complete reliability of table motion?
You don't mention your machine type, so I can't tell whether it is
reasonable to expect that or not.
The real test is if positions are repeatable. If you can make these
moves, observe positions being skipped, and then return to the
same point, you just have roundoff in positioning. If you CAN'T
return to the same position, then steps are actually being lost,
which is a completely different problem. One of the ways this
happens is violating the rules for setup and hold time on the
change of the direction signal into the stepper driver.
Jon
Discussion Thread
bgroover1
2001-12-11 04:48:35 UTC
emc with camtronics more help please
Bill Vance
2001-12-11 07:36:37 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
bgroover1
2001-12-11 08:34:07 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
Graham Hollis
2001-12-11 09:31:28 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
verizon
2001-12-11 09:39:34 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
Jon Elson
2001-12-11 10:05:04 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
Jon Elson
2001-12-11 10:15:32 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: emc with camtronics more help please
chewy8833
2001-12-11 10:31:05 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
chewy8833
2001-12-11 10:38:27 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
Paul
2001-12-11 12:42:35 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
bgroover1
2001-12-11 13:13:41 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
chewy8833
2001-12-11 17:07:28 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
Ray
2001-12-12 07:38:35 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
Carol & Jerry Jankura
2001-12-12 09:24:36 UTC
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dlantz@a...
2001-12-12 09:33:38 UTC
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Jon Elson
2001-12-12 10:23:28 UTC
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2001-12-12 12:00:54 UTC
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2001-12-12 12:08:41 UTC
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2001-12-12 12:24:32 UTC
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2001-12-12 12:36:04 UTC
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Paul
2001-12-12 13:08:34 UTC
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chewy8833
2001-12-12 13:26:50 UTC
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fast1994gto
2001-12-12 17:49:31 UTC
Re: Why EMC?
Steve Smith
2001-12-12 20:35:20 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why EMC?
Jon Elson
2001-12-12 23:29:01 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why EMC?
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2001-12-13 05:36:05 UTC
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dlantz@a...
2001-12-13 05:44:33 UTC
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2001-12-13 05:53:37 UTC
Re: emc with camtronics more help please
Roland Friestad
2001-12-13 06:08:13 UTC
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M Doogan
2001-12-13 08:48:12 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
verizon
2001-12-13 09:52:03 UTC
RE: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] emc with camtronics more help please
Paul
2001-12-13 12:01:52 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why EMC?
Steve Smith
2001-12-13 19:04:00 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why EMC?
Steve Smith
2001-12-13 19:13:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Why EMC?
Ray
2001-12-14 08:15:27 UTC
Re: Re: Re: Why EMC?
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2001-12-14 19:19:45 UTC
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