Re: Microstepping thru the Tulips
Posted by
Mariss Freimanis
on 2006-08-13 12:50:54 UTC
I have thought a little about the relationships you mentioned over
the years.:-) I'll just cover the step frequency vs. PWM frequency
thing:
I think you misunderstand PWM works. Microstepping frequency and PWM
frequency are completely unrelated. This thought experiment may help
to straighten it out:
I think you agree that 400 Hz step rate on a full-step drive results
in a 100Hz current waveform frequency. The full-step sequence repeats
after 4 full steps after all. This modulates OK on a 20kHz PWM for a
motor speed of 120RPM.
A 250-microstep drive needs a 100kHz step pulse frequency to get a
speed of 120RPM. The current waveform frequency is still the same and
it still modulates OK.
100kHz is way above the PWM frequency but the PWM never sees it. It
only sees the resulting 100Hz reference, the same as for the full-
step drive. This also modulates OK on a 20kHz PWM.
Mariss
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Mattison"
<mattison20@...> wrote:
the years.:-) I'll just cover the step frequency vs. PWM frequency
thing:
I think you misunderstand PWM works. Microstepping frequency and PWM
frequency are completely unrelated. This thought experiment may help
to straighten it out:
I think you agree that 400 Hz step rate on a full-step drive results
in a 100Hz current waveform frequency. The full-step sequence repeats
after 4 full steps after all. This modulates OK on a 20kHz PWM for a
motor speed of 120RPM.
A 250-microstep drive needs a 100kHz step pulse frequency to get a
speed of 120RPM. The current waveform frequency is still the same and
it still modulates OK.
100kHz is way above the PWM frequency but the PWM never sees it. It
only sees the resulting 100Hz reference, the same as for the full-
step drive. This also modulates OK on a 20kHz PWM.
Mariss
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Mattison"
<mattison20@...> wrote:
>it is
> I've seen a lot of comments about microstepping on this board as if
> the best thing since sliced bread. I wonder how many people havethought
> about the relationships between step rate, PWM frequency and motorregulate
> inductance. Since microstepping supposedly uses the PWM chopper to
> current into something like a sine wave to improve motorperformance, it
> stands to reason that if the step rate gets anywhere near the PWMfrequency
> that theory goes out the window. Also, the motor coil inductanceputs an
> upper bound on the step rate at which the PWM does anything at all.Exactly
> what those limits are depends on the combination of motorinductance, power
> supply voltage, chopper switching speeds and probably several otherfactors
> with less impact. So to say that more microstepping is better thanless is
> like saying that blue is better than orange.
> --
> Phil Mattison
> http://www.ohmikron.com/
>
Discussion Thread
Phil Mattison
2006-08-13 11:35:32 UTC
Microstepping thru the Tulips
Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-13 12:50:54 UTC
Re: Microstepping thru the Tulips
turbulatordude
2006-08-13 13:57:07 UTC
Re: Microstepping thru the Tulips
Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-13 15:18:28 UTC
Re: Microstepping thru the Tulips
Wayne C. Gramlich
2006-08-13 18:08:18 UTC
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Phil Mattison
2006-08-13 18:21:29 UTC
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Steve Stallings
2006-08-13 18:44:08 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-13 19:18:36 UTC
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Jon Elson
2006-08-13 22:17:06 UTC
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John Dammeyer
2006-08-13 23:54:31 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-08-14 04:44:35 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-08-14 05:04:52 UTC
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Phil Mattison
2006-08-14 08:36:25 UTC
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Steve Stallings
2006-08-14 09:18:00 UTC
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turbulatordude
2006-08-14 09:33:08 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-14 17:39:57 UTC
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Dennis Schmitz
2006-08-14 19:41:24 UTC
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turbulatordude
2006-08-14 19:48:01 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-14 20:21:07 UTC
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Henrik Olsson
2006-08-15 02:58:01 UTC
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turbulatordude
2006-08-15 07:23:23 UTC
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Phil Mattison
2006-08-15 08:27:33 UTC
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lcdpublishing
2006-08-15 08:55:36 UTC
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Les Newell
2006-08-15 09:26:27 UTC
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Les Newell
2006-08-15 09:32:56 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-15 10:16:27 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-08-15 12:13:26 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-15 13:37:34 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-08-15 16:03:35 UTC
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Paul Kelly
2006-08-15 17:43:39 UTC
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Mariss Freimanis
2006-08-15 20:00:13 UTC
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Graham Stabler
2006-08-16 02:18:22 UTC
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Les Newell
2006-08-16 02:26:25 UTC
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turbulatordude
2006-08-16 08:53:07 UTC
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Les Newell
2006-08-16 09:22:23 UTC
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