Re: Re: Engraving and engine turning
Posted by
Peter Smith
on 1999-07-31 12:24:19 UTC
-----Original Message-----
From: Bertho Boman <boman@...>
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Engraving and engine turning
If you have backlash on the quill, and it is not preloaded, when taking a
deep or heavy cut, the action of the cutter will take over and pull the
cutter into the job by the amount of backlash that you have, not very good
if you want a nice flat surface, hence the preload to keep the cutter up,
and the quill pulled against the pinion and worm drive.
Peter Smith
From: Bertho Boman <boman@...>
To: CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com <CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, July 31, 1999 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Engraving and engine turning
>From: Bertho Boman <boman@...>Bertho
If you have backlash on the quill, and it is not preloaded, when taking a
deep or heavy cut, the action of the cutter will take over and pull the
cutter into the job by the amount of backlash that you have, not very good
if you want a nice flat surface, hence the preload to keep the cutter up,
and the quill pulled against the pinion and worm drive.
Peter Smith
>solution is to use rather long springs. That way the
>There are fancy "constant force" springs available but the simple/ crude
>percent elongation is not large and the force is rather constant. With thespring system there will not be any significant mass
>added to accelerate and deaccelerate. I realize that this might not beimportant in some systems but it is always interesting
>to compare options.pre-load. I thought the idea of weights and pulleys or
>
>It also surprised me a little that you are using it as a method of
>springs is to reduce the load on the motor and make the load similar inboth directions. Thereafter the system's PID constants
>can be optimized and will be optimum moving both up and down.of
>
>Bertho Boman
>========================================
>
>Peter Smith wrote: <peter@...>
>
>> Ian/Peter
>> I have been using the wire rope, pulleys, and weights ploy, for a couple
>> years on my mill, it started as a quick fix to the backlash problem, butI
>> must admit it works very well, maintaining a constant load on the quill,the
>> instead of as with a spring the further the quill goes down the tighter
>> spring gets the greater the load on the motor, but my god it does lookugly.
>> The countrbalance is about 3lbs heavier than the quill, but as the Zstepper
>> is at a ratio of 20 / 1 it does'nt seem to mind the preload.suspect
>> I might get around to doing one of Dans permanent fixes, but I
>> that the quality of the rack and pinion on my far eastern mill might notdiscussion of shop built systems in the above catagories.
>> allow such a proper cure. ( why upset something thats working ok)
>
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Discussion Thread
David M. Munro
1999-07-26 20:36:04 UTC
Engraving and engine turning
Dan Falck
1999-07-26 20:39:21 UTC
Re: Engraving and engine turning
David M. Munro
1999-07-27 05:29:00 UTC
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Ron Ginger
1999-07-27 14:09:32 UTC
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1999-07-27 16:29:15 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-07-27 17:11:14 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-07-27 20:24:50 UTC
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Bertho Boman
1999-07-28 03:42:21 UTC
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psp@x...
1999-07-28 04:50:53 UTC
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Tim Goldstein
1999-07-28 15:17:03 UTC
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Dan Mauch
1999-07-28 20:21:45 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-07-29 05:52:00 UTC
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Dan Mauch
1999-07-29 06:54:29 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-07-29 20:23:14 UTC
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Tim Goldstein
1999-07-29 20:47:33 UTC
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Jeff Demand
1999-07-29 21:02:04 UTC
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Dan Mauch
1999-07-30 06:57:43 UTC
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Larry Van Duyn
1999-07-30 07:50:59 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-07-30 12:37:09 UTC
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Jon Elson
1999-07-30 22:29:41 UTC
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Ian W. Wright
1999-07-30 13:19:26 UTC
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PTENGIN@x...
1999-07-31 02:53:40 UTC
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Peter Smith
1999-07-31 06:09:12 UTC
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Larry Van Duyn
1999-07-31 07:26:43 UTC
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WBHINKLE@x...
1999-07-31 07:25:46 UTC
Re: Re: Engraving and engine turning
Bertho Boman
1999-07-31 11:14:07 UTC
Re: Re: Engraving and engine turning
Peter Smith
1999-07-31 12:24:19 UTC
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PTENGIN@x...
1999-07-31 12:44:09 UTC
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Bertho Boman
1999-07-31 12:40:41 UTC
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Brian Fairey
1999-07-31 15:33:41 UTC
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Peter Smith
1999-08-01 11:12:09 UTC
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Pete Jarman
1999-08-03 03:00:48 UTC
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Ian W. Wright
1999-08-03 12:05:32 UTC
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Pete Jarman
1999-08-03 14:21:36 UTC
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Bertho Boman
1999-08-03 15:38:48 UTC
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Bertho Boman
1999-08-03 15:56:54 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-08-03 17:39:13 UTC
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Ian W. Wright
1999-08-04 14:02:15 UTC
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Ian W. Wright
1999-08-04 13:43:09 UTC
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Ian W. Wright
1999-08-04 14:06:32 UTC
Re: Re: Engraving and engine turning
Bertho Boman
1999-08-04 15:24:06 UTC
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Bertho Boman
1999-08-04 15:40:39 UTC
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David M. Munro
1999-08-05 06:18:43 UTC
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PTENGIN@x...
1999-08-05 10:45:05 UTC
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Steve Carlisle
1999-08-05 16:35:03 UTC
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Dan Mauch
1999-08-06 06:46:24 UTC
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Pete Jarman
1999-08-02 08:20:20 UTC
Re: Re: Engraving and engine turning