Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Posted by
Stephen Wille Padnos
on 2005-02-04 08:29:45 UTC
cnc_4_me wrote:
necessarily apply to a chopper-driven motor.
I'll give an example of the calculations. My motor specs (from the
nameplate) are:
Max voltage: 150V
Max speed: 2500RPM
Voltage constant: 40V / kRPM
Torque constant: ~3 in-lb/A
Continuous current: 9.2A (27 in-lb continuous, but close enough)
Maximum current: 37A (~ 111 in-lb)
Winding resistance (measured): about 1 ohm.
So, to pump max current (37A) at max speed (100V back EMF), I need a
137V driver.
I bought Geckos, so I'm limited to 80V - let's see what happens:
If I want amximum peak allowable torque, then I need to apply 37V plus
the back EMF for whatever speed the motor is at. This is 37V for my
motor (37 A * 1 ohm). So, I can calculate the maximum speed at which I
can still get maximum torque: 80V - 37V = 43V back EMF. 43 / 40 = 1.075
kRPM at full peak maximum intermittent
don't-do-this-for-long-or-the-motor-will-smoke torque.
If I do the same calculation with the (much more reasonable) continuous
current rating, then I get 80V - 9.2V = 70.8V. 70.8 / 40 = 1770 RPM.
Using an 80V supply, I can run all day at 1770 RPM, with full 27 in-lb
torque.
At no load, I can get the motor up to 2kRPM (80V / 40V/kRPM = 2kRPM)
Not bad, for driving a 150V motor at 80V :) (you could argue that it's
actually a 109.2V motor, but it's still pretty good performance with the
Gecko)
- Steve
>I think you hit the nail on the head...That formula probably dealsTrue, but that's still for a constant drive voltage. It doesn't
>with AC motors...
>
>I googled around some more looking for answers on the torque verses
>voltage question for DC motors. I found about a half a dozen torque
>verses voltage curves on the bodine-electric site. Every curve was
>the same...
>
>If you half the voltage, you half the torque...Direct relationship...
>
>
>Wally
>
>
necessarily apply to a chopper-driven motor.
I'll give an example of the calculations. My motor specs (from the
nameplate) are:
Max voltage: 150V
Max speed: 2500RPM
Voltage constant: 40V / kRPM
Torque constant: ~3 in-lb/A
Continuous current: 9.2A (27 in-lb continuous, but close enough)
Maximum current: 37A (~ 111 in-lb)
Winding resistance (measured): about 1 ohm.
So, to pump max current (37A) at max speed (100V back EMF), I need a
137V driver.
I bought Geckos, so I'm limited to 80V - let's see what happens:
If I want amximum peak allowable torque, then I need to apply 37V plus
the back EMF for whatever speed the motor is at. This is 37V for my
motor (37 A * 1 ohm). So, I can calculate the maximum speed at which I
can still get maximum torque: 80V - 37V = 43V back EMF. 43 / 40 = 1.075
kRPM at full peak maximum intermittent
don't-do-this-for-long-or-the-motor-will-smoke torque.
If I do the same calculation with the (much more reasonable) continuous
current rating, then I get 80V - 9.2V = 70.8V. 70.8 / 40 = 1770 RPM.
Using an 80V supply, I can run all day at 1770 RPM, with full 27 in-lb
torque.
At no load, I can get the motor up to 2kRPM (80V / 40V/kRPM = 2kRPM)
Not bad, for driving a 150V motor at 80V :) (you could argue that it's
actually a 109.2V motor, but it's still pretty good performance with the
Gecko)
- Steve
Discussion Thread
cnc_4_me
2005-02-03 22:32:41 UTC
Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
turbulatordude
2005-02-04 06:07:16 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 06:55:50 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 07:46:41 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 08:29:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
victorlorenzo@y...
2005-02-04 08:45:44 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 09:17:53 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 09:26:05 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 10:49:00 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 12:20:04 UTC
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R Rogers
2005-02-04 12:37:18 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 12:52:05 UTC
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Polaraligned
2005-02-04 13:04:36 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 13:06:56 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 13:19:24 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 13:29:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 15:02:22 UTC
Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 15:43:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 15:50:19 UTC
Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 16:00:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 16:36:31 UTC
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cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 17:04:47 UTC
Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 17:09:45 UTC
Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 17:59:19 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 18:23:13 UTC
Re: Z axis force
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 19:36:30 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 20:00:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 20:09:41 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 20:45:22 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 21:52:28 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Polaraligned
2005-02-05 05:27:02 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Lance Hopper
2005-02-05 06:15:18 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 07:08:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-05 11:11:22 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-05 11:18:10 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 14:28:48 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:15:52 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:28:49 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:52:25 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 18:08:43 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.