Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Posted by
R Rogers
on 2005-02-04 12:37:18 UTC
R Rogers <rogersmach@...> wrote:
cnc_4_me wrote:
Since you are running the motor aprox 38% below rated voltage you
cannot push the amps thru the motor to get full torque.
I left out the current ratting before but here it is 18.5 amp.
Armature resistance would be 130vdc / 18.5A = 7 ohm. At 80vdc and 7
ohm you can only make 11.4 amps. The torque per amp is 373 0z-in /
18.5 = 20 oz-in. At 11.4 amps max current you get 11.4 x 20 oz-in =
230 oz-in.
If we use your speed reduction number above 61.5% and multiply it
times the torque of 373 oz-in we get 229.4 oz-in. Seems to agree
with ohms law calcs.
Wally
/// Isn't it possible that delivering the volts and current by another means than a continual supply as is the case with a pulse stream, that the current delivered in tiny spikes rather than a continuous flow would counter the resistance of the windings? We're not running these motors at top speed either, and very rarely do. Would that also effect the resistance? All calculations aside, when I first started looking at B'port retrofit packages such as Ajax, they all told me a 28 lb-in motor was too small to drive the knee and that a 40 lb-in servo would be imperative. And nothing was guaranteed especially the Z motor. I'm running a 100 volt 13.7 continual amps servo rated at 40 lb -in torque rating with a 64 VDC supply. Using the above calcualtion, I'm only getting 64% of the stated torque. Which is 25.6 lb-in. It drives the Z at 60 ipm just as Ajax claimed a 40 lb-in motor would at full voltage. Calculations and theories aside, it works. Remember,the knee table and vise weigh
approximately 800 lbs. then add a few hundred pounds force of a drillbit plunging steel. The little Gecko320 tolrates this, much to my amazement. ///Ron
/// Also, The servo is 2500 RPM. 2500 X 64% = 1600 RPM divided by 10 revs per inch on the Z axis = 160 divided by 2.5 belt reduction= 64 ipm. Exactly, what I can achieve. Ron
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cnc_4_me wrote:
Since you are running the motor aprox 38% below rated voltage you
cannot push the amps thru the motor to get full torque.
I left out the current ratting before but here it is 18.5 amp.
Armature resistance would be 130vdc / 18.5A = 7 ohm. At 80vdc and 7
ohm you can only make 11.4 amps. The torque per amp is 373 0z-in /
18.5 = 20 oz-in. At 11.4 amps max current you get 11.4 x 20 oz-in =
230 oz-in.
If we use your speed reduction number above 61.5% and multiply it
times the torque of 373 oz-in we get 229.4 oz-in. Seems to agree
with ohms law calcs.
Wally
/// Isn't it possible that delivering the volts and current by another means than a continual supply as is the case with a pulse stream, that the current delivered in tiny spikes rather than a continuous flow would counter the resistance of the windings? We're not running these motors at top speed either, and very rarely do. Would that also effect the resistance? All calculations aside, when I first started looking at B'port retrofit packages such as Ajax, they all told me a 28 lb-in motor was too small to drive the knee and that a 40 lb-in servo would be imperative. And nothing was guaranteed especially the Z motor. I'm running a 100 volt 13.7 continual amps servo rated at 40 lb -in torque rating with a 64 VDC supply. Using the above calcualtion, I'm only getting 64% of the stated torque. Which is 25.6 lb-in. It drives the Z at 60 ipm just as Ajax claimed a 40 lb-in motor would at full voltage. Calculations and theories aside, it works. Remember,the knee table and vise weigh
approximately 800 lbs. then add a few hundred pounds force of a drillbit plunging steel. The little Gecko320 tolrates this, much to my amazement. ///Ron
/// Also, The servo is 2500 RPM. 2500 X 64% = 1600 RPM divided by 10 revs per inch on the Z axis = 160 divided by 2.5 belt reduction= 64 ipm. Exactly, what I can achieve. Ron
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Discussion Thread
cnc_4_me
2005-02-03 22:32:41 UTC
Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
turbulatordude
2005-02-04 06:07:16 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 06:55:50 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 07:46:41 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 08:29:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
victorlorenzo@y...
2005-02-04 08:45:44 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 09:17:53 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 09:26:05 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 10:49:00 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 12:20:04 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 12:37:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 12:52:05 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Polaraligned
2005-02-04 13:04:36 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 13:06:56 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 13:19:24 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 13:29:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 15:02:22 UTC
Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 15:43:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 15:50:19 UTC
Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 16:00:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 16:36:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 17:04:47 UTC
Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 17:09:45 UTC
Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 17:59:19 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 18:23:13 UTC
Re: Z axis force
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 19:36:30 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 20:00:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 20:09:41 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 20:45:22 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 21:52:28 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Polaraligned
2005-02-05 05:27:02 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Lance Hopper
2005-02-05 06:15:18 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 07:08:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-05 11:11:22 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-05 11:18:10 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 14:28:48 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:15:52 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:28:49 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:52:25 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 18:08:43 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.