Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Posted by
Jon Elson
on 2005-02-05 17:28:49 UTC
Polaraligned wrote:
cause a stall
during a cut, unless the motors are really weak. What it means is you can't
deliver extreme accelerations to the table, so corners may get rounded off a
bit. Is that a big concern? It totally depends on the workpieces
you'll be making.
I've got some pieces here where I could see this effect :
http://jelinux.pico-systems.com/artwork.html
But, that's about the only place I've found it to show up. Those are
programmed
as hard right-angle turns. And, this is on a Bridgeport with a 9x31"
table, and 1/8 Hp
motors which give about 4.6 In-Lb continuous, and I'm guessing about 18
In-Lb
peak. That is a bit less than 300 In-Oz peak! I will note that I have
snapped off
a 3/8" end mill in the collet like it was a balsa stick, and the servo
amps didn't even
trip! (That was while setting up, with the spindle off.) I can get 100
IPM rapid feed
with no problem, and if I had a little more power supply voltage, I
could do 120 IPM
with a bit of reserve margin.
This performance is plenty for me, for a home shop that does some commercial
manufacturing. Now, if you insist on being able to make a sharp
right-angle corner
at 300 IPM with a radius of .01", you are going to need a LOT more
power, and
probably 2" or larger ballscrews.
Jon
>Well, it depends. First, the lack of torque is very rarely going to
>
>
>>If you need 1000 Pounds of linear force (cutting force + friction +
>>acceleration)
>>then 1000 *0.0318 = 31.8 In-Lb, or 508 In-Oz. That would presumably be
>>the PEAK torque requirement for X and Y on a mill. But, it could be
>>close to this
>>as the CONTINUOUS torque on the knee, unless you had a counterbalance
>>system.
>>
>>In the above examlple, if you had a 250 Oz-In peak torque motor, then
>>you'd want a
>>2:1 belt reduction ratio, at the minimum.
>>
>>Jon
>>
>>
>
>So Jon, what your are saying is that I could direct couple my 600
>oz-in (peak) servo's and they would produce 1000+ lbs of linear force
>on my Bridgeport. And 1000 lbs is a good value to be at for the
>X and Y axis. I would also then get 240 ipm rapids.
>Am I correct? Everyone seems to be using a lot more power to the
>table than this.
>
>
cause a stall
during a cut, unless the motors are really weak. What it means is you can't
deliver extreme accelerations to the table, so corners may get rounded off a
bit. Is that a big concern? It totally depends on the workpieces
you'll be making.
I've got some pieces here where I could see this effect :
http://jelinux.pico-systems.com/artwork.html
But, that's about the only place I've found it to show up. Those are
programmed
as hard right-angle turns. And, this is on a Bridgeport with a 9x31"
table, and 1/8 Hp
motors which give about 4.6 In-Lb continuous, and I'm guessing about 18
In-Lb
peak. That is a bit less than 300 In-Oz peak! I will note that I have
snapped off
a 3/8" end mill in the collet like it was a balsa stick, and the servo
amps didn't even
trip! (That was while setting up, with the spindle off.) I can get 100
IPM rapid feed
with no problem, and if I had a little more power supply voltage, I
could do 120 IPM
with a bit of reserve margin.
This performance is plenty for me, for a home shop that does some commercial
manufacturing. Now, if you insist on being able to make a sharp
right-angle corner
at 300 IPM with a radius of .01", you are going to need a LOT more
power, and
probably 2" or larger ballscrews.
Jon
Discussion Thread
cnc_4_me
2005-02-03 22:32:41 UTC
Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
turbulatordude
2005-02-04 06:07:16 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 06:55:50 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 07:46:41 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 08:29:45 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
victorlorenzo@y...
2005-02-04 08:45:44 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 09:17:53 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 09:26:05 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 10:49:00 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 12:20:04 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 12:37:18 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 12:52:05 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Polaraligned
2005-02-04 13:04:36 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 13:06:56 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 13:19:24 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-04 13:29:22 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 15:02:22 UTC
Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 15:43:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 15:50:19 UTC
Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 16:00:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 16:36:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 17:04:47 UTC
Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 17:09:45 UTC
Re: Z axis force
R Rogers
2005-02-04 17:59:19 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Z axis force
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 18:23:13 UTC
Re: Z axis force
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 19:36:30 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 20:00:06 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-04 20:09:41 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-04 20:45:22 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-02-04 21:52:28 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Polaraligned
2005-02-05 05:27:02 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Lance Hopper
2005-02-05 06:15:18 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 07:08:03 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-05 11:11:22 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
cnc_4_me
2005-02-05 11:18:10 UTC
Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 14:28:48 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:15:52 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:28:49 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
Jon Elson
2005-02-05 17:52:25 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.
R Rogers
2005-02-05 18:08:43 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Re: Declining motor torque with lower voltage.