Re: Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Posted by
Mariss Freimanis
on 2005-07-26 09:48:53 UTC
I prefer to think of it as 'tightly-coupled' versus 'loosely-coupled'
feedback loops. The difference is the degree of latency (delay)
incurred.
Imagine you are racing a slalom course. If the steering wheel
responds in milliseconds to your input, you'd probably do OK. If it
took a few seconds to respond, you would certainly zag where you
should have zigged.
Same thing here; the amount of latency determines what can be
accomplished. A tightly-coupled feedback loop can respond 'real-time'
to changes by modulating motor/drive input as a correction. A loosely-
coupled loop is much more limited; it can only monitor but not
correct motor/drive behavior. It is an 'after the effect' thing. Kind
of like airbags for when you crash because you zigged when you should
have zagged.:-)
Mariss
feedback loops. The difference is the degree of latency (delay)
incurred.
Imagine you are racing a slalom course. If the steering wheel
responds in milliseconds to your input, you'd probably do OK. If it
took a few seconds to respond, you would certainly zag where you
should have zigged.
Same thing here; the amount of latency determines what can be
accomplished. A tightly-coupled feedback loop can respond 'real-time'
to changes by modulating motor/drive input as a correction. A loosely-
coupled loop is much more limited; it can only monitor but not
correct motor/drive behavior. It is an 'after the effect' thing. Kind
of like airbags for when you crash because you zigged when you should
have zagged.:-)
Mariss
--- In CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO@yahoogroups.com, Jon Elson <elson@p...> wrote:
> Alex Holden wrote:
>
> >On 26 Jul 2005, at 13:24, Thom Carr wrote:
> >
> >
> >>At some point, it would be time to use new defining terms for
both
> >>"Cosed Loop" systems. Something like Closed loop/ correct and
> >>Closed loop/ detect.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Closed loop is a well defined term in control systems engineering.
I
> >would say the new Mach3 feedback feature is open loop with error
> >detection. It's not closed loop in the conventional sense that
it's
> >able to modulate the power supplied to the motor based on how far
> >it's lagging behind (or ahead of) the expected position, but at
least
> >it is able to notice and stop the system (hopefully before
trashing
> >the workpiece) if the steppers lose steps.
> >
> >
> >
> Yes, I agree with you, but got yelled at by several people for
> making this distinction. 1/10th of a second on a router is a
pretty big
> disaster, I suspect.
>
> Jon
Discussion Thread
R Rogers
2005-07-22 13:42:25 UTC
Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Babar
2005-07-22 20:48:50 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Jon Elson
2005-07-22 22:58:01 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
R Rogers
2005-07-23 05:19:17 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Paul
2005-07-23 05:47:21 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Dan Mauch
2005-07-23 06:34:41 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-07-23 15:35:57 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
caedave
2005-07-24 02:36:46 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Mariss Freimanis
2005-07-24 13:13:23 UTC
Re: Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Stephen Wille Padnos
2005-07-25 19:28:41 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
R Rogers
2005-07-25 20:34:02 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
John Delaney
2005-07-25 21:16:21 UTC
'Nother closed loop anecdote
caedave
2005-07-26 02:20:14 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Thom Carr
2005-07-26 05:24:11 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Alex Holden
2005-07-26 06:19:05 UTC
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Alan Marconett
2005-07-26 08:25:06 UTC
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Jon Elson
2005-07-26 09:02:00 UTC
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caedave
2005-07-26 09:45:31 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
Mariss Freimanis
2005-07-26 09:48:53 UTC
Re: Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!
David A. Frantz
2005-07-26 10:13:13 UTC
Re: [CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO] Announcement: Mach3 is now closed loop!